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smartyalex 02-14-2007 08:41 PM

Best 2 year old ever POLL!!!
 
On the closing of the "derby futures" pool one, I thought this would be of interest. My vote would have to be Devil's Bag or Ruffian.

Linny 02-14-2007 08:45 PM

Go back in time and look up Tremont. Citation was a good 2yo as well.

Kasept 02-14-2007 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Linny
Citation was a good 2yo as well.

Where does that put stablemate Bewitch?

The Indomitable DrugS 02-14-2007 08:58 PM

I really hope no one says Favorite Trick..... Or Vindication

saucon17 02-14-2007 09:04 PM

Capote was a pretty damn good 2 year old

smartyalex 02-14-2007 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I really hope no one says Favorite Trick........

we need to put an asterisk next to his HOY! Are you kidding me???

Thunder Gulch 02-14-2007 09:32 PM

Bid or Ruffian...stack of track records all over the place. Raise a Native would have to be in the discussion.

smuthg 02-14-2007 09:34 PM

I'll be the guy who brings up Secretariat... how could you question him in any way?

miraja2 02-14-2007 09:47 PM

I think Arazi might be in the discussion. Has any other colt been champion 2yo in both Europe and North America?
He won three G1 races in Europe that year (along with a G2 & and a G3) and then came over here and ran the most impressive BC Juvy race ever. I don't know if he is #1, but he was a good one.

The Indomitable DrugS 02-14-2007 10:31 PM

I would consider Grand Canyon's win in the '89 Hollywood Futurity, the best singular performance by a 2-year-old.

I saw a race of Bold Forbes on tape that was pretty stunning as well.

JJP 02-14-2007 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by saucon17
Capote was a pretty damn good 2 year old

His win in the BC Juvenile was more a function of a strong rail bias. His true abilities were shown in his 3YO season.

As for the best, I'd go with Devils Bag.

mark2061mn 02-15-2007 12:24 AM

there was a 2yo colt owned by claiborne that ran in the mid 80s in socal, he went by the name of swear.

he was awesome to watch, and i believe he won each of his 3 starts by 7. he died though before turning 3.

grand canyon is another really good one, though a tad inconsistent.

landaluce is another. she has to be included.

as for favorite trick, he wasnt even the best 2yo to set foot on the track that crop!

some early season 2yos that probably would be counted if they had been stopped on earlier would be dehere, officer and MTR.

Ironhorse 02-15-2007 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I really hope no one says Favorite Trick..... Or Vindication

Why would anyone bring up Favorite Trick? He didn't do much. Let me list a few of his accomplishments. Lots of two year olds have had similar success.

1. Undefeated in eight starts, including seven straight stakes.

2. Earned $1,231,998.

3. Won Grade 1 stakes in New York and California.

4. Won the Breeders Cup Juvenile, G1, in the fastest time in the history of the race.

5. Co-leader in total number of 1997 North American graded stakes wins through Breeders Cup XIV.

6. Won at 4 1/2, 5, 5 1/2, 6, 6 1/2, 7, and twice at 8 1/2 furlongs.

7. Won by an average of 3 1/2 lengths per race.

8. Won at four racetracks, on both coasts and in the mid-west.

9. Won on tracks labeled fast, good and muddy.

10. Defeated the winners of the Futurity Stakes G1, Champagne Stakes G1, Norfolk Stakes G2, Cowdin Stakes G2, Arlington-Washington Futurity G2, Hollywood Juvenile Championship G3, Del Mar Futurity G2, Sapling Stakes G3, Nashua Stakes G3 and the Kentucky Cup Juvenile G3, and everyone by at least three lengths.

11. Gave weight winning both the Bashford Manor Stakes G3 and the Saratoga Special G2.

12.Was favored in seven of his eight starts at odds no higher than 7 to 5.

13. Was "clear or "ridden out" in each of his last six starts.

14. Ran a sub-45 half-mile fraction in the Saratoga Special G2 on a muddy track assigned a variant of 19 by Daily Racing Form.

The Indomitable DrugS 02-15-2007 01:00 AM

I've seen that all before.........

http://www.chef-de-race.com/articles...ck_for_hoy.htm

Favorite Trick being named Horse of the Year as a 2-year-old, over the strongest group of older males to race in the decade of the 90's, was pure lunacy.

He wasn't 1/10th the horse that the letter made him out to be.

He beat some terrible horses in his many 2yo stake wins--the 2nd place finisher to him in the Breeders Cup Juvenile was a Canadian turf horse named Dawson's Legacy...that wasn't much at all. The horse who finished 3rd in the Breeders Cup Juvenile, behind Favorite Trick, was a horse named Nationalore. He ran 26 times in his career, and never even broke his maiden!

Ironhorse 02-15-2007 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I've seen that all before.........

http://www.chef-de-race.com/articles...ck_for_hoy.htm

Favorite Trick being named Horse of the Year as a 2-year-old, over the strongest group of older males to race in the decade of the 90's, was pure lunacy.

He wasn't 1/10th the horse that the letter made him out to be.

He beat some terrible horses in his many 2yo stake wins--the 2nd place finisher to him in the Breeders Cup Juvenile was a Canadian turf horse named Dawson's Legacy...that wasn't much at all. The horse who finished 3rd in the Breeders Cup Juvenile, behind Favorite Trick, was a horse named Nationalore. He ran 26 times in his career, and never even broke his maiden!

Who said anything about Horse of the Year? I thought this thread was about two year old years? You can say he beat bad horse all you want. Is it the horses fault who lines up against him in the starting gate? ( Coronado's Quest, Cape Town and Grand Slam were a few of the horse he beat.) How many horses go 8 for 8 in a year, with 7 of the 8 being stakes?

Who cares who finished second and third in the Breeders Cup. If long shots come in behind the winner that somehow diminishes the winner? He ran the race in record time which still stands today and up until last year he had the largest margin of victory.

Travis Stone 02-15-2007 04:56 AM

He wasn't the best, but DEHERE played a huge role in getting me excited about horse racing. I saw all of his Spa races.

Kasept 02-15-2007 05:00 AM

Colin should probably appear in this thread..

brockguy 02-15-2007 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
I think Arazi might be in the discussion. Has any other colt been champion 2yo in both Europe and North America?
He won three G1 races in Europe that year (along with a G2 & and a G3) and then came over here and ran the most impressive BC Juvy race ever. I don't know if he is #1, but he was a good one.

Johannesburg was a champ on both sides as well, I believe. Azari was better. His Juvenile win was unreal.!

NJ Doug 02-15-2007 08:31 AM

I agree Arazi needs to be on the list...who can forget that move he made iin the BC...


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