Eclipse /Turf Male
 

MA - 1 Grade 1, 2 Grade 2's
EC - 3 Grade 1's
TTM - 2 Grade 1's, 2 Grade 2's


ummmmmmmmkay.

MA actually beat full fields, one of EC's Grade 1's simply was ridiculous and you know that, if anything, that hurt him.

you are going to come back at me with you can't control who runs against him, BUT YOU CAN.

Pletcher could have easily said he was skipping that race and then friggin enter, thus people entering, and they wouldn't waste entry money just to avoid a horse

MA's grade 2 wins.....6 horse field and a 7 horse field. His Grade 1...14 horse field.

EC's 3 grade 1's, 7 horse field, 7 horse field and 10 horse field...

gotta do better than that argument Tom.

I think that EC is a better horse than Miesque's Approval, I think it just came down to a bit of EC's inability to win the "big ones." I think either a win in the Turf or in the Million gives him the Eclipse without a doubt, and probably by a landslide.

This was one of the categories I didn't really worry about, because any of the three winning would have been fine with me.

Though I wish Cacique could have just won the Turf and emphatically ended the conversation right there :D

only way Cacique gets 1 1/2 is on a plane ride...

Well, everyone always worried about his sisters' distance limitations tii, until it turned out that they actually had none after all.

Me too. :)
I loved him and Intercontinental.

I like MA, don't get me wrong. He ran well in the BC Mile, but other than that?? Come on....nipping a gone very bad Artie Schiller and then blowing by Free Thinking to win a couple of Grade 2's??? Come on...I need more than that to get my blood going.

I like caqique...respect him, but I LOVED Intercontinental

She was my girl! Too bad we had to wait until her last race to see a jockey just let her run.

miesk is a great horse...for me i allways caught him at a price..she ended bailys carrer with a loss took out artie the rat shilla...both of those pick 4s we hit..then i started a thread about bill motts nightmare ..he rolls at 24 to 1 in the bc me and dell are going nuts in the paddock...

I miss her and Megahertz.....God I love turf racing

It really is too bad turf takes a back seat to dirt as Megahertz, Intercontinental & Gorella are far more exciting in my opinion than any of the dirt fillies & mares.

Honestly I really wish Gorella won the Turf F/M she threw together some amazing races this year. OB is something special because of all of the countries she shipped to, but these are the North American awards...

yet another reason I wish they would leave Anna on the grass...she moves so beautifully over that surface and that division needs a superstar.

Obviously, she's going to be darn tough to beat if they run her on the turf...but until someone else steps up and shows she's not the best dirt filly too, there doesn't seem to be much need to run her on the grass.

If her perch atop the dirt division were to fall, then grass would be awesome because she's incredible on the turf.

I shouldn't have even tried to reason with this guy...he has LICENSE PLATES after EC.

Can you say STALKER?

I'm OUT

I was sincerely hoping she would run bad in the BC so that they would return her to the turf. Not that she ran that great in the BC to begin with, but that division is just really, really weak IMO.

you need to do better than that too. Surely you can find something that will convince me that MA is deserving of the Eclipse over EC or TTM.

There were a couple that were jacked up but what are you going to do, it is corrupt anyways and worthless, it is just hilarious to see old guys like Calabrese bitching about his stalls from Stronach AT AN AWARDS ASSEMBLY. HE IS AWESOME.

On the dirt discussion, which I know we've already had, I will be shocked and disappointed if there aren't more than a few fillies that dominate her on that surface.....but " incredible on the turf "??

Perhaps " promising " would be slightly more accurate. Sorry if I still believe that two wins as a 2YO, one at 5 1/2 furlongs, doesn't constitute incredible.

If people didn't build up undeserving false hopes perhaps there would be less disappointments.