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Alabama Stakes 04-11-2022 01:47 PM

Hi Ho No Pimlico
 
No Preakness for Baffert . Maryland on board with suspension

moses 04-11-2022 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 1163142)
No Preakness for Baffert as Maryland suspends him

Poor Bob. #2022sucks

freddymo 04-11-2022 02:03 PM

Is racing better off without Baffert? Perhaps the very best dirt trainer ever banished forever?

Kasept 04-11-2022 03:02 PM

Why did anyone think he could run at Pimlico during the 90 day suspension?

Kasept 04-11-2022 03:06 PM

Do people not remember when Steve Asmussen had two consecutive six-month suspensions? Or when Pletcher had an extended (45?) one when the horses ran in Anthony Sciametta’s (sp?) name? Suspensions like these are universally honored by jurisdictions. There was never a question that Baffert would run in Maryland.

Dahoss 04-11-2022 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1163147)
Do people not remember when Steve Asmussen had two consecutive six-month suspensions? Or when Pletcher had an extended (45?) one when the horses ran in Anthony Sciametta’s (sp?) name? Suspensions like these are universally honored by jurisdictions. There was never a question that Baffert would run in Maryland.

I'm with you, I'm not sure why anyone would think Baffert would be running anything in Maryland. But in the cases you mention the horses ran in the assistant trainer name. This is quite a bit different.

Dahoss 04-11-2022 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1163144)
Is racing better off without Baffert? Perhaps the very best dirt trainer ever banished forever?

Is it better with him? That's not me giving an opinion either way. I'm just wondering if racing as a whole has been better with him.

Kasept 04-11-2022 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1163148)
I'm with you, I'm not sure why anyone would think Baffert would be running anything in Maryland. But in the cases you mention the horses ran in the assistant trainer name. This is quite a bit different.

One rule that has changed (or come into play anyway) is requirement of dispersing barn during suspensions of more than 60 (I think it’s 60) days.

blackthroatedwind 04-11-2022 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1163149)
Is it better with him? That's not me giving an opinion either way. I'm just wondering if racing as a whole has been better with him.

It's definitely not better with him if he violates the rules and refuses to accept responsibility.

I'll refrain from saying, however, that nobody is bigger than the game. We all know the OP of this thread disproves that.

Alabama Stakes 04-11-2022 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1163146)
Why did anyone think he could run at Pimlico during the 90 day suspension?

Maybe because he ran at Hot Springs last week and at Nyra less than a month ago. You trying to tell me there was no talk of him running in the Preakness ? Maryland ? They’ve been real leaders in the field as far as policing drug cheats.

Kasept 04-12-2022 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 1163155)
Maybe because he ran at Hot Springs last week and at Nyra less than a month ago. You trying to tell me there was no talk of him running in the Preakness ? Maryland ? They’ve been real leaders in the field as far as policing drug cheats.

KHRC suspension, which is then respected by all other jurisdictions, began April 4. Baffert's last starters (at Oaklawn or elsewhere) were on April 2.

Kasept 04-12-2022 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 1163155)
They’ve been real leaders in the field as far as policing drug cheats.

Well, they posture as real leaders and on health and welfare they've done a number of good things, particularly in California. But while they ruled a few pieces of low-hanging fruit off, they seemingly allow a cartel to operate in Florida with impunity. They're a fugazy outfit.

jms62 04-12-2022 05:36 AM

I realize I'm a broken record but truly believe what I am saying.
The NCAA bans the entire school from Post season and TV Money for violations not just the coach. Everyone is penalized. If Horse racing wants to be serious they ban trainer, all horses of trainer and owner of horses under trainer that were caught. Is it stiff? Yes. Is it fair? No. Will it Deter by evening out the Risk/Reward ? Yes. As of now the rewards of cheating FAR outweigh the cost of getting caught. We would be very naïve to think owners have no idea what is going on here. At this point their only real risk is returning purse money. After getting popped they just run under assistant or transfer to another trainer. You can be certain that putting them at real financial risk of their aging asset missing the Triple crown and unable to earn money in any race will incentivize them to pressure trainers to be clean or avoid them all together.

Kasept 04-12-2022 12:24 PM

Just to show how damaging their publicity stunt is, note these vile victory lap tweets from active opponents of the sport, fund raising as they pretend they had a hand in Baffert's exclusion..




Dahoss 04-12-2022 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1163202)
Just to show how damaging their publicity stunt is, note these vile victory lap tweets from active opponents of the sport, fund raising as they pretend they had a hand in Baffert's exclusion..




Why would the executive director of the Maryland Racing Commision write a letter like that?

Konk 04-12-2022 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1163171)
I realize I'm a broken record but truly believe what I am saying.
The NCAA bans the entire school from Post season and TV Money for violations not just the coach. Everyone is penalized. If Horse racing wants to be serious they ban trainer, all horses of trainer and owner of horses under trainer that were caught. Is it stiff? Yes. Is it fair? No. Will it Deter by evening out the Risk/Reward ? Yes. As of now the rewards of cheating FAR outweigh the cost of getting caught. We would be very naïve to think owners have no idea what is going on here. At this point their only real risk is returning purse money. After getting popped they just run under assistant or transfer to another trainer. You can be certain that putting them at real financial risk of their aging asset missing the Triple crown and unable to earn money in any race will incentivize them to pressure trainers to be clean or avoid them all together.

I agree. Suspensions, imho, shouls include the owner and all the horses in the trainer's barn. Harsh, yup. Easy to avoid? Yup....don't cheat.

jms62 04-12-2022 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cmfhb411 (Post 1163213)
I'm not on board with: all the horses in the trainer's barn.

Example: You hire a particular trainer for the 1st time. Same trainer is caught cheating with my horse a week later.
Exactly, why should your horse be kept from running?

Does owner in your hypothetical have an inkling which trainers are sketchy or just claim ignorance and insult our collective intelligence? Would the trainer cheat if he knew the consequences of it? Would you as owner ever use him again if this happened? Would you as a deep pockets owner consider suing him for damages of your horses not running? If you really want to clean up the game the penalties need to be severe and the risk/reward at least evened out. As of now it simply is a cheating tax. Cheat 100 times get caught 5 and give up 5 purses and let your assistant run the horses.

blackthroatedwind 04-12-2022 03:11 PM

Drug overages are not necessarily cheating. We don't further the argument by mislabeling things. Any trainer can get an overage once, as many honest trainers have, and conflating that with cheating muddies the conversation.

I'm not defending anyone, and think every trainer needs to take their responsibility extremely seriously ( as most do ). However, we have to think about our responsibilities to the outside world. Conversations are furthered by accuracy not mistruths.


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