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Alabama Stakes 05-17-2021 01:10 PM

Linda Rice
 
Just read she got 3 year suspension and $50,000 fine. Seems harsh.

moses 05-17-2021 01:42 PM

I haven’t read all the facts but that seems like an absurdly long suspension.

freddymo 05-17-2021 02:00 PM

Fried Rice?

Dahoss 05-17-2021 03:11 PM

I don’t think it was harsh at all. She paid clerks to give her names and past performances of horses that were going to enter races that she was considering entering for YEARS.

She was cheating. This should be a deterrent to other trainers to not do the same thing.

If we are serious about seeing the game change for the better and the bettor, these kinds of people need to have the book thrown at them.

moses 05-17-2021 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1153332)
I don’t think it was harsh at all. She paid clerks to give her names and past performances of horses that were going to enter races that she was considering entering for YEARS.

She was cheating. This should be a deterrent to other trainers to not do the same thing.

If we are serious about seeing the game change for the better and the bettor, these kinds of people need to have the book thrown at them.

I guess I don’t know enough about how the entries work but I sort of thought trainers had a general idea of what horses would be entering which races as it is. I know it’s the case for big races but assumed trainers sort of know for the smaller races as well. So it doesn’t seem like that big of a deal to me.

Generally, though, I agree that they should penalize trainers that don’t play by the rules and actually hold them accountable. There is a major lack of accountability for cheating trainers.. I do see that Baffert was also suspended by NYRA today though didn’t see the details on how long that will be.

Thoroughbred Fan 05-18-2021 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1153334)
I guess I don’t know enough about how the entries work but I sort of thought trainers had a general idea of what horses would be entering which races as it is. I know it’s the case for big races but assumed trainers sort of know for the smaller races as well. So it doesn’t seem like that big of a deal to me.

It's actually a huge deal. With cheaper horses, you are really trying to maximize each run because they run for less. You try to avoid certain horses, avoid the big owners dropping one in for the win toward the owners title at the end of meets, find races with small fields, etc. At many tracks, scratching will push you down the priority list for the next similar race, so knowing in advance is a huge advantage.

I've met her a couple of times and she has always been super nice, but very competitive. I knew people that had horses with her a long time ago.

In her defense, I would say her competitive nature coupled with a very tough industry to be a highly successful woman led to many of her decisions. I'm sure this will be appealed and I hope they treat her fairly. I'm no expert on what the punishment should be. Despite what may be dubious actions on her part, I think she is a very good trainer.

Rudeboyelvis 05-18-2021 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1153332)
I don’t think it was harsh at all. She paid clerks to give her names and past performances of horses that were going to enter races that she was considering entering for YEARS.

She was cheating. This should be a deterrent to other trainers to not do the same thing.

If we are serious about seeing the game change for the better and the bettor, these kinds of people need to have the book thrown at them.

:tro:

Exactly. It's tantamount to race fixing. She has an edge knowing class, running style, preferred surface, etc. of her competition before deciding which horses to enter where. It gave her an decisive advantage moving up horses as well.

It amazed me how she always seems to hit at like 40% for the first week or so at Saratoga - mystery solved.

Rudeboyelvis 05-18-2021 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan (Post 1153372)
It's actually a huge deal. With cheaper horses, you are really trying to maximize each run because they run for less. You try to avoid certain horses, avoid the big owners dropping one in for the win toward the owners title at the end of meets, find races with small fields, etc. At many tracks, scratching will push you down the priority list for the next similar race, so knowing in advance is a huge advantage.

I've met her a couple of times and she has always been super nice, but very competitive. I knew people that had horses with her a long time ago.

In her defense, I would say her competitive nature coupled with a very tough industry to be a highly successful woman led to many of her decisions. I'm sure this will be appealed and I hope they treat her fairly. I'm no expert on what the punishment should be. Despite what may be dubious actions on her part, I think she is a very good trainer.

Wha? The "She's just a girl" defense? It's 2021, bro. She knew exactly what she was doing. This is trite virtue signaling needs to stop.

Konk 05-18-2021 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cmfhb411 (Post 1153376)
it's too bad, because she's an obviously great horseperson

And a lousy actual person.
3 years too light.
Lifetime ban seems appropriate.
The game either has integrity or it doesn't.
I hear a lot diners can't find help.
I'm sure she could sling hash.

freddymo 05-18-2021 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Konk (Post 1153390)
And a lousy actual person.
3 years too light.
Lifetime ban seems appropriate.
The game either has integrity or it doesn't.
I hear a lot diners can't find help.
I'm sure she could sling hash.

Really? Sling hash? Have a heart. Ya think some of our "favorite" trainers never got a heads up on a horse entering or not?

moses 05-18-2021 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan (Post 1153372)
It's actually a huge deal. With cheaper horses, you are really trying to maximize each run because they run for less. You try to avoid certain horses, avoid the big owners dropping one in for the win toward the owners title at the end of meets, find races with small fields, etc. At many tracks, scratching will push you down the priority list for the next similar race, so knowing in advance is a huge advantage.

I've met her a couple of times and she has always been super nice, but very competitive. I knew people that had horses with her a long time ago.

In her defense, I would say her competitive nature coupled with a very tough industry to be a highly successful woman led to many of her decisions. I'm sure this will be appealed and I hope they treat her fairly. I'm no expert on what the punishment should be. Despite what may be dubious actions on her part, I think she is a very good trainer.

Makes sense. I really just sort of assumed trainers knew this information just from people talking around the track but I guess that’s not the case.

moses 05-18-2021 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1153388)
Wha? The "She's just a girl" defense? It's 2021, bro. She knew exactly what she was doing. This is trite virtue signaling needs to stop.

I’m sure that as a woman in a field dominated by men, she’s faced more than her fair share of obstacles over the years. But I’m not sure what it has to do with any of this.

Given the rampant drug use in the sport, I am curious if she was using the information to avoid “supertrainers,” which still wouldn’t make it right but would be understandable.

RolloTomasi 05-18-2021 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1153399)
Given the rampant drug use in the sport, I am curious if she was using the information to avoid “supertrainers,” which still wouldn’t make it right but would be understandable.

Rice herself served a 30-day suspension and La Verdad was disqualified from a Grade 2 win the same year the horse won an Eclipse because of a medication violation.

moses 05-18-2021 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1153400)
Rice herself served a 30-day suspension and La Verdad was disqualified from a Grade 2 win the same year the horse won an Eclipse because of a medication violation.

I didn’t mean to imply that she has been totally clean. If I had to guess, one who cheats through one means is probably more likely to cheat via other means as well. Whatever gives them the edge. But I never got the sense that she was on the same level as some of the top cheats.

freddymo 05-18-2021 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1153401)
I didn’t mean to imply that she has been totally clean. If I had to guess, one who cheats through one means is probably more likely to cheat via other means as well. Whatever gives them the edge. But I never got the sense that she was on the same level as some of the top cheats.

I never considered her an alchemist either

Konk 05-19-2021 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1153392)
Really? Sling hash? Have a heart. Ya think some of our "favorite" trainers never got a heads up on a horse entering or not?

Bottom line, she is a cheater and a thief.

freddymo 05-19-2021 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Konk (Post 1153423)
Bottom line, she is a cheater and a thief.

I don't know the facts, few do


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