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cakes44 07-10-2018 03:20 PM

I’m guessing Justify is done.
 
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac...-plans-on-hold

Hickory Hill Hoff 07-10-2018 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 1112324)

done until he gets better :rolleyes:

Rupert Pupkin 07-11-2018 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 1112324)

I think you are right. You can't take a chance with a horse this valuable. I would have made the chances of him being retired about 60-70% after they found the filling. Now that the filling has come back, I would make the chances about 95%.

freddymo 07-11-2018 06:52 AM

I hope he races again. I hope they don't "soft tissue" us and tell us it is in the best interest of the horse. Let them say we can't afford to miss the business opportunity that a TC winner affords the ownership.

FATPIANO 07-11-2018 08:52 AM

He was done as soon as he passed the finish line in the Belmont. He will never race again..period the end

Rupert Pupkin 07-11-2018 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1112347)
I hope he races again. I hope they don't "soft tissue" us and tell us it is in the best interest of the horse. Let them say we can't afford to miss the business opportunity that a TC winner affords the ownership.

It will probably be the type of issue that requires 2 months off. It would take another 3 months of training before he would be ready to run. So he wouldn't be ready to run until December. He would miss all the big races this year.

Rupert Pupkin 07-11-2018 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by FATPIANO (Post 1112352)
He was done as soon as he passed the finish line in the Belmont. He will never race again..period the end

That is completely untrue. He would have definitely run again. American Pharaoh ran again.

blackthroatedwind 07-11-2018 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 1112358)
That is completely untrue. He would have definitely run again. American Pharaoh ran again.

Horrible analogy.

moses 07-11-2018 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 1112357)
It will probably be the type of issue that requires 2 months off. It would take another 3 months of training before he would be ready to run. So he wouldn't be ready to run until December. He would miss all the big races this year.

If he runs again then, it’ll be the Pegasus World Cup. But I don’t think he runs again.

Alabama Stakes 07-11-2018 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 1112358)
That is completely untrue. He would have definitely run again. American Pharaoh ran again.

Good analogy. American Pharoah continued to do well and great owners brought him to Saratoga giving the fans a real treat, even though he got picked up. If Justify continued to do well, they would have done the same. To me if you have a hoss that good, why would you not keep running. Winning doesn’t get old.

Rupert Pupkin 07-12-2018 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1112368)
Horrible analogy.

Huh? Unless I misunderstood his point, Fatpiano was saying that the horse was automatically retired right when he won the TC, because a TC winner is too valuable to race. My point was that that is not true at all. We just had a TC winner a couple of years ago and he continued running. But even aside from that, it would be very rare for a sound horse who is doing well to be retired in the middle of the year, even after winning the TC. Guys don't retire sound horses on winning streaks in the middle of the year. It doesn't happen. I can't ever remember it happening. Horses often retire in the middle of the year if they get hurt, but not if they're sound and running well. There is a fallacy out there that owners make up injuries so they have an excuse to retire their horse. It is a complete myth. An owner doesn't feel like he has to make an excuse to retire his horse. It's a business decision. Horses are retired all the time (at the end of the year). Nobody feels guilty about retiring a horse.

blackthroatedwind 07-12-2018 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 1112375)
Huh? Unless I misunderstood his point, Fatpiano was saying that the horse was automatically retired right when he won the TC, because a TC winner is too valuable to race. My point was that that is not true at all. We just had a TC winner a couple of years ago and he continued running. But even aside from that, it would be very rare for a sound horse who is doing well to be retired in the middle of the year, even after winning the TC. Guys don't retire sound horses on winning streaks in the middle of the year. It doesn't happen. I can't ever remember it happening. Horses often retire in the middle of the year if they get hurt, but not if they're sound and running well. There is a fallacy out there that owners make up injuries so they have an excuse to retire their horse. It is a complete myth. An owner doesn't feel like he has to make an excuse to retire his horse. It's a business decision. Horses are retired all the time (at the end of the year). Nobody feels guilty about retiring a horse.


You sure extrapolated a lot from one sentence from Fatpiano. I am guessing Justify's stud deal is a lot different ( both in dollars and incentives ) than American Pharoah's deal. Zayat sold Pharoah's stud rights during his 2YO year. He got substantial kickers, as I'm sure you must know, for winning races like the Haskell, Travers, and BC Classic. This likely played a role in his continued racing...which is why I believe the situations are not analogous.

Then again, the biggest idiot on this board agreed with you, so there's that too.

freddymo 07-12-2018 07:48 AM

I recently made a small wager that Justify would race again. I will be losing that one.

blackthroatedwind 07-12-2018 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1112377)
I recently made a small wager that Justify would race again. I will be losing that one.

Did you have to pay in advance?

freddymo 07-12-2018 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1112379)
Did you have to pay in advance?

I should clarify that to avoid any potential issue. Thx

Konk 07-12-2018 09:58 AM

Justify??
Old news.
It's time for AX MAN!

Hickory Hill Hoff 07-12-2018 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Konk (Post 1112384)
Justify??
Old news.
It's time for AX MAN!



AX MAN is NO Justify ;) his last race proves that

cakes44 07-12-2018 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1112376)

Then again, the biggest idiot on this board agreed with you, so there's that too.

I really don’t remember agreeing with his post?!

ateamstupid 07-12-2018 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 1112357)
It will probably be the type of issue that requires 2 months off. It would take another 3 months of training before he would be ready to run. So he wouldn't be ready to run until December. He would miss all the big races this year.

The armchair veterinarian has logged on.

Dawgswin 07-12-2018 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 1112374)
Good analogy. American Pharoah continued to do well and great owners brought him to Saratoga giving the fans a real treat, even though he got picked up. If Justify continued to do well, they would have done the same. To me if you have a hoss that good, why would you not keep running. Winning doesn’t get old.

I’ll go one better, it ain’t even an analogy.


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