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Bogey 05-12-2017 07:28 PM
Interesting read on Players Pool fiasco
 
http://crunktrunk.tumblr.com/post/16.../bury-the-lede

philcski 05-14-2017 11:32 PM
Since Ed is my buddy and I talked to him at length about Derby strategy this year, I can say with 100% certainty that what he said was accurate. He was against Always Dreaming (as was I), and the superfectas played by the Player's Pool were all his. There was nothing nefarious about the approach. It was probably not in good taste for Scully to post a winning ticket when the pool lost, however.

Weary 05-15-2017 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 1091175)
Since Ed is my buddy and I talked to him at length about Derby strategy this year, I can say with 100% certainty that what he said was accurate. He was against Always Dreaming (as was I), and the superfectas played by the Player's Pool were all his. There was nothing nefarious about the approach. It was probably not in good taste for Scully to post a winning ticket when the pool lost, however.
The tweet of Scully's winning ticket came from the official TwinSpires account, not his personal account. In the video, DeRosa brought up Scully's success, unprompted. Trying to portray Scully as the bad guy is most assuredly not in good taste.

ateamstupid 05-15-2017 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 1091175)
Since Ed is my buddy and I talked to him at length about Derby strategy this year, I can say with 100% certainty that what he said was accurate. He was against Always Dreaming (as was I), and the superfectas played by the Player's Pool were all his. There was nothing nefarious about the approach. It was probably not in good taste for Scully to post a winning ticket when the pool lost, however.
Maybe it's just me, but a $30,000 pool of other people's money doesn't seem like a good occasion to take a strong stand against one of the most likely winners in the race.

declansharbor 05-15-2017 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 1091178)
Maybe it's just me, but a $30,000 pool of other people's money doesn't seem like a good occasion to take a strong stand against one of the most likely winners in the race.
Exactly, if I was betting like RHT and had 30k at my disposal, you best BELIEVE that I'm spending ( at least ) $720 on a superfecta ticket that has the favorite on top of 10 other boxed horses.

Sorry brotha, I saw the shot, and TOOK the shot. Just some good natured ribbing, rht. Nothing more.


And in full disclosure, I would've STILL missed out on the super bc Bsttle of Midway was one of my first tosses. Saw him as a pace casualty. Goes to show what I know!

declansharbor 05-15-2017 12:52 AM
Absolutely HORRIBLE/HORRIFIC/EMBARRASSINGLY POOR execution by those in charge of disposing of the allocated funds!

freddymo 05-15-2017 06:17 AM
I typically toss a few bucks into Ed's pools, including this pool. IMO Ed made a few mistake that he acknowledge's and will make changes. I know he feels bad, I know it came off poorly. That said not the end of the world

freddymo 05-15-2017 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Bogey (Post 1090977)
Respectfully you think the competition should post such and use the terminology "fiasco"?

Bogey 05-15-2017 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1091183)
Respectfully you think the competition should post such and use the terminology "fiasco"?
Competition ??? fiasco is right on point.

philcski 05-17-2017 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Weary (Post 1091177)
The tweet of Scully's winning ticket came from the official TwinSpires account, not his personal account. In the video, DeRosa brought up Scully's success, unprompted. Trying to portray Scully as the bad guy is most assuredly not in good taste.
??? The twinspires Twitter account is a shared account. I have no idea who posted the pic. Not in any way painting Scully as "the bad guy."

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 1091178)
Maybe it's just me, but a $30,000 pool of other people's money doesn't seem like a good occasion to take a strong stand against one of the most likely winners in the race.
I've thought the same, but it's easy for us to play MMQB and say "I would have done this/that", but at the end of the day isn't the objective to construct the most optimal ticket based on your opinion? In this case, I would have done the same. I didn't like Always Dreaming, and neither did he. Thus, take a stand against. (I have not seen the actual tickets played since we cannot enter the pools in California, so I don't know what the amount of money was excluding said horse.) It shouldn't matter that it's "other people's money", since in essence they are investing in your "expertise."

ateamstupid 05-20-2017 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 1091217)
??? The twinspires Twitter account is a shared account. I have no idea who posted the pic. Not in any way painting Scully as "the bad guy."



I've thought the same, but it's easy for us to play MMQB and say "I would have done this/that", but at the end of the day isn't the objective to construct the most optimal ticket based on your opinion? In this case, I would have done the same. I didn't like Always Dreaming, and neither did he. Thus, take a stand against. (I have not seen the actual tickets played since we cannot enter the pools in California, so I don't know what the amount of money was excluding said horse.) It shouldn't matter that it's "other people's money", since in essence they are investing in your "expertise."
There is an enormous difference playing against a favorite with a few hundred dollars of your own money and playing with $30,000 of other people's money, losing every cent of it when one of the most likely winners comes in, and then having a piece of a separate, contradictory winning ticket on your own. It's a goddamn joke Phil, and if he wasn't your boy, you would be saying that too instead of this lame "oh it's easy to MMQB" bullshit.

Holybull1 05-22-2017 08:44 AM
Thank you Steve for broaching the topic with both James and Ed on your shows.

I'm sure it wasn't easy as you are close with both of them. You did your listeners a real service and I think you handled it very professionally.

Kasept 05-22-2017 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Holybull1 (Post 1091708)
Thank you Steve for broaching the topic with both James and Ed on your shows.

I'm sure it wasn't easy as you are close with both of them. You did your listeners a real service and I think you handled it very professionally.
Had addressed on Night School already with James and were requisite ATR discussions. Appreciate you and everyone listening and being open to DeRosa response and adjustments going forward.

Bogey 05-22-2017 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1091709)
Had addressed on Night School already with James and were requisite ATR discussions. Appreciate you and everyone listening and being open to DeRosa response and adjustments going forward.
Steve, you handled the topic as I would of expected "First Class". There are plenty of horseplayers that appreciate you bringing it up. Hope they make the proper adjustments moving forward.


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