So who is the "wiseguy" horse this year?
 

It is not as self-evident as some years, at least not to me.

Firing Line and Upstart are getting lots of buzz it seems.

Firing Line may well wind up being the speed of the speed; Danzig Moon is probably the most talented closer...It seems those two are getting more and more attention

eddie olczyk was talking about danzig moon this morning...i was like, shut up! :)

El Kabeir will go off at odds drastically underneath his fair value.

Upstart and Frosted

-bt-

I like Upstart and haven't heard anybody talking him up at all. Definitely think it's Firing Line or Danzig Moon.

I agree with those that said Firing Line for these reasons:

-2 close losses to Dortmund
-3x Derby winning jockey in Stevens
-decent post
-has the speed to be close to the lead

Whether he has the pedigree for a mile and a quarter is another question. His grandaddy Lion Heart was 2nd to Smarty Jones was he not, but I think his daddy, Line of David finished far back in his Derby, as I recall.

Mubtaahji ....... by far! :p

I like him too Joey..he will be on a ticket or two for me... Serling is on him too
check his thread, has a video link with him and M.Beer

Frosted

I have not heard a peep about anyone liking him at all.

How is Danzig Moon talented at all? No one likes Carpe Diem, me included. So how can we like Danzig Moon off a non threatening 2nd to him.
Feels to me like the wise guy horse is Firing Line. Serling gave him some love on the Derby preview video also.

El Kabier is very intriguing to me. It was obvious that his connections used the Wood to change his running style in anticipation of a pace meltdown. I hope to find room on my Super ticket for him. 2-3-4 would not surprise me.

Im not saying I like or dislike him. Just that I have not heard any buzz anywhere about him. If you like him thats a good thing.
Does Borel still get over bet in this race just because?

Dortmund is going to be radically lower odds than Firing Line on Saturday...so to me, that would make Dortmund more of the wise guy horse than Firing Line....but maybe it's just me :)

The second choice in the race can't be a wiseguy horse. A wiseguy horse is an 'outside the box' entrant who people talk themselves into to try to beat the favorites.

I guess I consider a wiseguy horse to be a horse that is bet down to odds that aren't really justified based on hype, etc...I agree that most of the time it's not one of the favorites....but IMO it can be...(Dialed In, Fresian Fire, Sweetnorthernsaint) God knows I've taken the bait many times over the years.

I'm hearing whispers about Upstart....

I think it will be Frosted. I think he'll go off
lower than Firing Line 8 or 9 -1