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tanner12oz 07-20-2013 07:55 AM

dmr race 7 friday night
 
No holds barred steel cage match at the start is okay? I know there is always contact but the 4 eliminated 20 percent of the field and made for a dangerous situation for the other jocks. Ca stewards obviously view the first 100 yards of the race differently then the final 100 yards. I know this isn't just ca but come on how much contact is allowable at the start?

Alabama Stakes 07-20-2013 08:28 AM

if they started taking down gate fouls the numbers would be flashing all night.
What's more fun than yelling OHHHHH, when the numbers have been flashing awhile on an objection or Inquiry. Everyone looks up, but they're still flashing. It is hilarious.

geeker2 07-20-2013 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 935913)
if they started taking down gate fouls the numbers would be flashing all night.
What's more fun than yelling OHHHHH, when the numbers have been flashing awhile on an objection or Inquiry. Everyone looks up, but they're still flashing. It is hilarious.

Isn't the reaction from watching the reply ? :confused:

tanner12oz 07-20-2013 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by geeker2 (Post 935916)
Isn't the reaction from watching the reply ? :confused:

that's the deal the stewards looked at it the numbers blinked and they basically said that's cool post it...the NFL still calls penalties in the first quarter...in the stretch a mere hint of contact or Even no contact but the threat of contact will get ya bounced but in the first 100 yards it's an allowable clusterf*** and its unfortunate for the connections and bettors involved with the 2 and 3 whose race ended 1 second from the gate....furthering things is the fact you have multiple entries from the same owner...not saying conspiracy or anything but in a big money race...one entry helping the other entry even accidentally isn't 100 percent kosher...just bad racing luck I know

helicopter11 07-20-2013 09:40 AM

When does Nakatani's suspension start?

Cannon Shell 07-20-2013 01:15 PM

This was a terrible, terrible call. It is impossible to know what affect gate interference has therefore in a case such as this the horse wiping out the others should be taken down and placed behind all the horses he interfered with. Sky Beauty was DQ'ed for wiping out a long priced Suffolk shipper in the Spinaway and while it was painful, the call the NYRA stewards made that day was the correct one. The idea that fouls early in the race arent as "impactful" as ones later in the race is immaterial and wrong. While a certain amount of jostling is allowed out of the gate especially in 2 yo races, this went far beyond that

tanner12oz 07-20-2013 05:52 PM

Stewards about to talk about it on tvg
can't wait to hear this one

tanner12oz 07-20-2013 05:57 PM

Lol he said it was the 3s own fault for breaking slow..he said the call was 2-1 and not unanimous

Cannon Shell 07-20-2013 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tanner12oz (Post 936113)
Lol he said it was the 3s own fault for breaking slow..he said the call was 2-1 and not unanimous

The 4 clearly fouls the 3 and 2. Breaking slowly has nothing to do with it. You dont give up your right to not be run into because you break slow. His explanation leads me to believe he and the other steward are incompetent.

tanner12oz 07-20-2013 08:35 PM

He didn't seem that swift
..simon hit him with the collusion angle also and his response was lacking....tvg guys didn't give him the white glove treatment...just all around bad for the game...

asudevil 07-20-2013 10:21 PM

Worst no call in recent memory.

PatCummings 07-21-2013 12:21 PM

What was even more appalling, IMO, was that he absolutely readily acknowledged that it might set a bad precedent.

Simon Bray's point was spot-on - the no-DQ call was made because the 2 & 3 didn't lift a hoof, but what if they didn't lift a hoof because they were interfered with so badly, especially the 3. Frankly, it welcomes wild behavior from the gate provided the aggrieved horse doesn't run on to show some competitiveness...so why not just wipe them out even more.

Perhaps the overall question - who is judging the judges?

The US isn't alone with this either. The no-DQ in the Falmouth Stakes (G1) at Newmarket was epic, where one horse herded another plum across the course, and the stewards even acknowledged the aggrieved horse was whipped in the face at least once. On an appeal, the British Horseracing Authority said the interference was proven to help the winner. That's right folks...in order to be DQ'd in the UK, you have to prove the interference you cause HELPED you as opposed to hurt another horse. AKA - it's almost impossible to get reversed.

The UKers like to claim they founded the sport, but they seemed to show little to no knowledge about horses and nature by suggested that herding across a course the size of an 8-lane highway did not help Elusive Kate and kept Sky Lantern from an improved position.


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