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Civil-war-on-this-date in 1863.

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[Gen’l Beauregard’s wife in New Orleans. —The Huntsville (Ala.) Confederate learns that, under the Yankee decree of banishment from their homes in New Orleans, of those who will not take the oath of allegiance to the United States, the wife of Gen. Beauregard, with her mother and sister, were ordered to leave the city; but owing to her extreme illness, she and they were permitted to remain until her condition should be so far improved as to admit of her removal without sacrifice of life. The venerable father of Mrs. Beauregard, Mr. Desiondes, who has become blind through age, was detained, alone, upon his plantation, some forty miles above the city, none of his children being permitted to be with him, nor he to join them, unless he would take the oath of allegiance to Lincoln’s infamous Government. His eldest son has been held in custody, as a hostage, by the Yankee authorities, ever since they got possession of that part of the State, being refused the right of exchange.

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NEGROES FOR SALE AND HIRE.

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For Sale. —I have a very likely MULATTO GIRL for sale, sixteen years old, and very well grown for her age; active and sprightly, with fine sense, capable of being improved. She is a good nurse and a good housemaid, and has been very trusty when in my care. She prefers staying in the city of Richmond. I sell her for no other cause but necessity. Any one wishing to purchase her can call at the residence of WILLIAM T. WOODDY. Church Hill, corner of 29th and Clay streets, to-morrow. She will be sold by her owner, Miss MARY A E TYNE. Price twenty six hundred dollars.

$2600!..what's that in today's $?..26K?

http://www.timesdispatch.com/special...291d8be79.html

Neat post...do they do this everyday? Can I sign up for e-mails?

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Originally Posted by rpncaine (Post 932949)

Neat post...do they do this everyday? Can I sign up for e-mails?

Think they do it every day but only get the Sunday paper now..Had to fish around at the site to find that column, it's on the 2nd page of the paper.
Here's their site link, http://www.timesdispatch.com/
Think you can sign up for emails..
btw, they were recently bought by Murdoch's company..Liked their site look
before the buy...

Thanks. Was really hoping to get to Gettysburg over the 4th but not gonna happen now. Would have loved to be there on the actual anniversary.

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Originally Posted by rpncaine (Post 932951)

Thanks. Was really hoping to get to Gettysburg over the 4th but not gonna happen now. Would have loved to be there on the actual anniversary.

vicksburg would be a good alternate for me, only 2 hours away...but we'll be in nashville, checking out some of the civil war sites up there while i'm in the area.
going to the hermitage as well. leaving this thursday, heading to the smokies for the weekend.

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Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 932941)

$2600!..what's that in today's $?..26K?

http://www.timesdispatch.com/special...291d8be79.html

$2600 in 1863 u.s. currency is about $47800 in today's dollars according to this entirely* reliable website.

http://www.westegg.com/inflation/

$2600 in confederate currency is worth a little** less.

*probably not at all

**actually a lot

There is a very large statue of Gen. Beauregard at the entrance to City Park in New Orleans, not very far from Fair Grounds.

i'm sure there's also a statue of butler....

:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 932969)

i'm sure there's also a statue of butler....

:rolleyes:

"Spoons" Butler. :)

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Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 933026)

"Spoons" Butler. :)

Gettysburg’s dark secret.

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With this week’s 150th anniversary of the battle of Gettysburg, we will be reminded of that epic struggle’s famous highlights — the missed Confederate opportunity to achieve victory on the first day, the struggle for Little Round Top on day two and the battle’s dramatic climax on July 3 with Pickett’s Charge.

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A closer examination of the historical record has uncovered a dark consequence of the battle that, until recently, was little known. After poring through numerous letters, diaries and the official correspondence of Confederate soldiers, historian David G. Smith reveals that as the Army of Northern Virginia moved into Pennsylvania in late June 1863, it began to round up scores of free blacks and escaped slaves to be sent south.

http://www.timesdispatch.com/opinion...611cdf079.html

made it to stones river battlefield (murfreesboro, tn) and fort donelson (dover, tn). very disappointed to find that the nashville battlefield has been covered over by develpments. great museum downtown tho.
stones river is home to the oldest monument to a battle, built by actual battle veterans only six months after the fight. donelson is where grant earned his moniker of 'unconditional surrender' grant. donelson was the first decisive win for the north, and things would generally go well for the union from them on in the west.
too bad that rat nathan bedford forrest escaped from fort donelson.

You should try to get down to Chattanooga/Chickamauga area on your trip. Visit Lookout Mtn and they have some great areas on the top of Missionary Ridge. The museum and tour at Chickamauga battlefield is also first rate. It is also their 150th anniversary. Visit their National Cemetery in Chattanooga too!

Civil War 150th: On this date in 1863.

LATEST FROM THE NORTH.

THE GREAT BATTLE AT GETTYSBURG.

We have received from Hon. Robert Ould, Commissioner of Exchange, New York papers of the 2d, 3d and 4th insts. The following dispatches in the New York World give an account of the progress of the fighting. The first contains extracts from the official report of Gen. Meade, which was all the War Department would allow to be telegraphed from Washington to the Northern papers:

Washington, July 3d.--An official dispatch was received this afternoon from Major-General Meade, dated headquarters, Army of the Potomac, 11 o’clock P. M., July 2nd, which says:

“The enemy attacked me about 4 P. M. this day, and, after one of the severest contests of the war, was repulsed at all points. We have suffered considerably in killed and wounded. ... We have taken a large number of prisoners.”

Dispatches about the Fighting.

Philadelphia, July 3.--A special dispatch to the Bulletin, from Harrisburg, says:

Nothing is yet known as to results, but the impression prevails that the great decisive battle of the campaign has been fought in the neighborhood of Cashtown, between Gettysburg and Chambersburg.

It is believed that we have suffered heavy losses in officers and men, but Lee is so crippled as to be placed on the defensive.

Yesterday Gen. Meade assumed the offensive. The day before Lee had attacked Meade, and was repulsed with heavy loss.

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Tilford: Gettysburg’s legacy still paying off.

It was a war fought by dirt-poor Southern white farmers on one side and a lot of German and Irish immigrants filling out the ranks of dirt-poor Yankee farmers on the other side. Despite sharing the same race, religion and history, they slaughtered one another with alacrity. What a different country this might have been if, 400 years ago, someone had suggested, “Let’s pick our own cotton.”

On several occasions I visited that place where, 150 years ago, the future of this republic was decided. When I taught at Grove City College in western Pennsylvania, I showed the movie “Gettysburg” to my U.S. military history classes.

It took eight months to bury the dead. More Americans died on each of the three days of the Battle of Gettysburg than have died in the dozen years of the War on Terror.

Half the soldiers killed in all American wars since the 17th century — about a million in all — died in our Civil War. Almost all of the Civil War casualties were of Anglo-Saxon, Scots-Irish or German-Dutch descent. They were mainly Christians and mostly Protestant, with Catholics from Boston and New York City, Savannah and New Orleans thrown in.
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Bryan: The Civil War transformed American medicine.

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My grandfather told me that when he was a boy, he would steal glances at a Civil War veteran sitting in church every Sunday. The man had a gaping hole in his forehead, a gruesome reminder of the violence of war. But it was also evidence that people could survive horrific wounds before the development of modern medicine. Why was that man alive, yet so many other soldiers were not so fortunate? Was it luck or the result of skilled medical practice?

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Despite its brutal reputation, Civil War medical care played a significant role in the advent of modern medicine. As medical historian George Wunderlich contends, the war "was a watershed that changed the practice of medicine to such an extent that it would never be the same. Many aspects of modern patient care that we take for granted today can trace their origins to that war."

http://www.timesdispatch.com/opinion...9bb30f31a.html

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Originally Posted by Storm Cadet (Post 934244)

went to chat/chic and the 'battle above the clouds' last year, on the way to kennesaw mountain..then to atl, savannah and up to charleston. the gun collection at chickamauga is outstanding.
i've told tony i'd like to make a swing thru va, md and to gettsyburg-i suggested hitting those sites in between some home ice capitals games...lol

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Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 934331)

http://www.timesdispatch.com/opinion...9bb30f31a.html

the battle of shiloh was the first that had what they'd now call a 'mash' unit, when albert sidney johnston sent his personal physician out into the field to help the wounded. of course that decision had huge repercussions-had the doctor remained at his side, johnston wouldn't be known to history as the highest ranking army general ever to die in battle. no one thought his wound was serious. in fact, the bullet had hit the artery in his leg, and he bled out.
as for unhealed wounds, at the tn state museum, they had a picture of a soldier from about 15 years after the war-with a stick stuck thru his side to show his unhealed wound. i also know from reading sam houstons bio that his wound he suffered fighting with jackson vs the red sticks that his groin injury never healed.

the soldiers might have been better served staying out of some of the hospitals, as it seemed the treatment could be worse than the cure. i wonder if the earlier wounded fared better than later? the doctors would have less blood and gore on them if they hadn't treated as many patients.
and i think disease such as yellow fever, measles, typhoid and the like probably killed more than battle wounds did.

joshua chamberlain was posthumously promoted....when he awoke weeks later his brother told him the news. he'd been shot thru both hips, and they thought it was a mortal wound-but he survived and kept his promotion. he later earned the name 'bloody chamberlain'. while leading his troops in a later battle (i think the battle of the wilderness) the hero of little round top was seen to have been shot 'clean thru' but kept his saddle and kept fighting. turned out that the bullet that went into his belly rode his rib around to his back and exited....everyone thought the bullet went thru him. he lived to his 90's.

oh, currently reading ' the fall of the house of dixie' which i think is aptly titled! so far, very interesting.
i set aside the bio of teddy roosevelt (a bit boring, maybe finish it later) to start on house of dixie, but one interesting thing from TR...an aging Joe Wheeler, who'd fought in the civil war, was a participant in the spanish american war!! crazy stuff.

Excellent book. Heard the author on NPR and read it shortly thereafter. I get a lot of leads on books from NPR shows and ATR. Just finished the book about the WWII spy Garbo that was mentioned on the show recently. Recommended highly.

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Originally Posted by rpncaine (Post 934401)

i lauded that book somewhere on this site a few months ago. excellent story! that guy had no fear, that's for sure.
i have another book to read after this one, about the restoration. also have one on patton to dig into.

Maybe it was your recommendation that I saw;-) I was thinking it was on the show, no matter it was well worth the read. The things that guy did were amazing.