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shanej974 09-27-2006 10:21 AM

Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe
 
Is it really true that Deep Impact, Hurricane Run, and Shirocco will all be running on Sunday? Wow! Are these the 3 best turf horses in the world? I don't know a lot about the history of the Arc, but this has to be possibly the best field ever just based on those 3. Does anyone know if all 3 will be here on Breeders Cup day? Finally, people have posted video links to past races in Europe. Can someone post a link for this race on Sunday (I don't think it is televised, or is it?)?

gallant bloom 09-27-2006 10:23 AM

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3142


:)

brockguy 09-27-2006 10:27 AM

you better believe it, throw in the top french 3yo Rail Link, the fantastic Filly Pride and Leger winner Sixties Icon and you have one fantastic race this weekend!

The Bid 09-27-2006 10:30 AM

IMO they all have to beat Deep Impact

SundayStar 09-27-2006 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by shanej974
Is it really true that Deep Impact, Hurricane Run, and Shirocco will all be running on Sunday? Wow! Are these the 3 best turf horses in the world? I don't know a lot about the history of the Arc, but this has to be possibly the best field ever just based on those 3. Does anyone know if all 3 will be here on Breeders Cup day? Finally, people have posted video links to past races in Europe. Can someone post a link for this race on Sunday (I don't think it is televised, or is it?)?


deep impact will head back to japan for the japan cup. hurricane run is scheduled to run in the bc turf and they're talking about entering shirocco in the bc classic.

anyway you look at it, we have some very exciting times ahead in the racing world.

Pedigree Ann 09-27-2006 12:19 PM

TVG will televise it live, and many OTBs simlucast (hub is usually Arlington).

The Arc has been around since 1920. Before WWI, the biggest international race in Europe was the Grosser Preis von Baden, but the French were not about to go to the Enemy Country to prove their horses and so created their own international race. It typically has Derby and Oaks winners from several countries as well as top older horses and mares. For instance, in the 1968 running, Vaguely Noble defeated Sir Ivor (English Derby and 2000 Guineas), Roseliere (French Oaks), La Lagune (English Oaks), Ribero (Irish Derby, English St. Leger), Carmarthen (Prix Ganay), etc. Both Ribot and Sea-Bird made fields full of classic winners look ordinary. Modern transporation has somewhat diluted the fields of late, since the options of the Canadian International and BC Turf provide an alternative to those who are wary of the possibility of very heavy going one often finds at Longchamps this time of year.

SundayStar 09-27-2006 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
TVG will televise it live, and many OTBs simlucast (hub is usually Arlington).

The Arc has been around since 1920. Before WWI, the biggest international race in Europe was the Grosser Preis von Baden, but the French were not about to go to the Enemy Country to prove their horses and so created their own international race. It typically has Derby and Oaks winners from several countries as well as top older horses and mares. For instance, in the 1968 running, Vaguely Noble defeated Sir Ivor (English Derby and 2000 Guineas), Roseliere (French Oaks), La Lagune (English Oaks), Ribero (Irish Derby, English St. Leger), Carmarthen (Prix Ganay), etc. Both Ribot and Sea-Bird made fields full of classic winners look ordinary. Modern transporation has somewhat diluted the fields of late, since the options of the Canadian International and BC Turf provide an alternative to those who are wary of the possibility of very heavy going one often finds at Longchamps this time of year.


that's great news. i noticed that they had international racing scheduled for sunday morning so i figured that they were showing it but i hadn't seen any promotion for it so i was left wondering.

somerfrost 09-27-2006 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by shanej974
Is it really true that Deep Impact, Hurricane Run, and Shirocco will all be running on Sunday? Wow! Are these the 3 best turf horses in the world? I don't know a lot about the history of the Arc, but this has to be possibly the best field ever just based on those 3. Does anyone know if all 3 will be here on Breeders Cup day? Finally, people have posted video links to past races in Europe. Can someone post a link for this race on Sunday (I don't think it is televised, or is it?)?

Yes, the Arc is huge! Others have posted the particulars...I'd just add that imo, the biggest races in the world are:
Breeder's Cup Classic
Dubai World Cup
Arc
Japan Cup
Kentucky Derby
Some will make a good argument that other BC races, especially the BCT belong on this list, as would several British races and the Irish Derby, I would like to see the Melbourne Cup get more attention as well...but those 5 stand out to me!

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-27-2006 03:32 PM

Deep Impact all the way!!:)

Slewbopper 09-27-2006 04:13 PM

I'll go with the horse that saved the day for me last BC day...Shirroco

Pedigree Ann 09-27-2006 07:48 PM

The softer the ground, the more Shirocco will like it. Won the German Derby in a bog.

shanej974 09-27-2006 08:35 PM

Most of Deep Impacts races are on Youtube. Just search for Deep Impact. I watched them today.

This is a very fast and impressive looking horse. Don't be fooled by the foreign language call...over there he is 'Deep-uh Impacto' and he's the horse in front flying to the finish line.

kentuckyrosesinmay 09-27-2006 08:56 PM

I've watched all three of the big guns, and they look pretty evenly matched to me.

If it comes up soft, I'll go with Shirocco. Hurricane Run didn't switch leads down the stretch in the Prix Foy until they hit the wire. It may have impacted the outcome of the race. Every time Hurricane Run switches leads, he usually takes off with a tremendous burst of speed. However, Shirocco showed his heart and class, and held him all the way. Still, Hurricane Run may can beat this guy.

However, I think Deep Impact's heart gets him to the wire first. He is probably the prettiest moving horse that I have ever seen. He looks as if he is running on air he touches the ground so light. His turn of foot is phenomenal. I love this guy! What a race this is shaping up to be.

Who else is running? Pride? Heart's Cry?

One thing is for sure...this is going to be a race for the ages. We'll be talking about the champion of this race for years to come.

Cajungator26 09-27-2006 09:29 PM

Well, I will be honest. I hate to be one who jumps on a bandwagon, but Deep Impact is the best horse I have ever seen run (on television.) I only wish I could see him up close. I will be surprised if he gets beat. He's amazing.

kentuckyrosesinmay 09-27-2006 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
I only wish I could see him up close. I will be surprised if he gets beat. He's amazing.

You and me both, but as long as he doesn't come to the states, that's what it is for me...wishful thinking. I'm really rooting for this horse, and you are right...He is amazing.

Hwjb 09-28-2006 04:41 AM

It looks like I'll be among the minority then, as I intende to lay Deep Impact big time. Given that he wont have encountered anything remotely similar to what he will on Longchamp on Sunday, the softer conditions, the high-class opposition, that there remain questions over the worth of his form (his sole defeat came at the hands of Heart's Cry, who wasn't good enough in the King George) and the fact that he hasn't run since June all combine to make 3/1 look absurd.

Lay lay lay!

The race has to be between Hurricane Run and Shirocco. On the day I know I'm going to end up going with Hurricane, but I'm sure it's not that clear cut.

The greatest Arc of recent times was Dancing Brave's devastating 1986 triumph when he had the likes of Bering, Acatenango, Shahrastani, Shardari, Saint Estephe, Mersey, Darari and Triptych floundering in his wake. Races simply do not get any better.

In the last 10 years, Peintre Celebre's 1997 success over Helissio, Pilsudski, Oscar Schindler, Swain (1-2-3-4 in 1996) as well as Borgia, Predappio and My Emma was remarkable.

King Glorious 09-28-2006 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Hwjb
It looks like I'll be among the minority then, as I intende to lay Deep Impact big time. Given that he wont have encountered anything remotely similar to what he will on Longchamp on Sunday, the softer conditions, the high-class opposition, that there remain questions over the worth of his form (his sole defeat came at the hands of Heart's Cry, who wasn't good enough in the King George) and the fact that he hasn't run since June all combine to make 3/1 look absurd.

Lay lay lay!

The race has to be between Hurricane Run and Shirocco. On the day I know I'm going to end up going with Hurricane, but I'm sure it's not that clear cut.

The greatest Arc of recent times was Dancing Brave's devastating 1986 triumph when he had the likes of Bering, Acatenango, Shahrastani, Shardari, Saint Estephe, Mersey, Darari and Triptych floundering in his wake. Races simply do not get any better.

In the last 10 years, Peintre Celebre's 1997 success over Helissio, Pilsudski, Oscar Schindler, Swain (1-2-3-4 in 1996) as well as Borgia, Predappio and My Emma was remarkable.

U and me both. I think Deep Impact is in way over his head here. I think he's running for third at absolute best.

SundayStar 09-28-2006 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
I've watched all three of the big guns, and they look pretty evenly matched to me.

If it comes up soft, I'll go with Shirocco. Hurricane Run didn't switch leads down the stretch in the Prix Foy until they hit the wire. It may have impacted the outcome of the race. Every time Hurricane Run switches leads, he usually takes off with a tremendous burst of speed. However, Shirocco showed his heart and class, and held him all the way. Still, Hurricane Run may can beat this guy.

However, I think Deep Impact's heart gets him to the wire first. He is probably the prettiest moving horse that I have ever seen. He looks as if he is running on air he touches the ground so light. His turn of foot is phenomenal. I love this guy! What a race this is shaping up to be.

Who else is running? Pride? Heart's Cry?

One thing is for sure...this is going to be a race for the ages. We'll be talking about the champion of this race for years to come.

yes, he does have an amazing turn of foot. combine that with what seems like unlimited stamina and you've got yourself a winning machine. i'm just hoping the jockey doesn't screw it up.

eurobounce 09-28-2006 09:40 AM

No way does Deep Impact win this race. I don't think this horse is as good as he appears to be when beating up horses in Japan. I think he will really struggle in the Prix. I could be wrong, but I do not see this horse finishing in the money. I like Hurrican Run in this spot, unless it is very very soft.

tycharles01 09-28-2006 11:05 AM

Anyone near Central FL, saw today that they will be showing the ARC at the Jai Alai in Sanford on Oct 1

Just thought let u know


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