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Calzone Lord 11-12-2012 02:14 PM

Jilver Chamafi
 
There was some initial talk that this bug rider was going to move his tack to NY at the start of AQU and ride there at least until his bug expires in February.

He's had just 240 mounts in the US so far -- all at Calder -- and he's been statistically sensational. He's showing a strong flat-bet profit in every conceivable category... 2yo, 3yo, older horses, dirt, turf, sprint, route.

Obviously just 240 rides is way too few to statistically judge a jockey imo...but Jilver is getting it done at Calder and his numbers are similar to the ones Junior Alvarado posted there as a bug ... albeit Junior had a much larger sample size.



Jilver came up the rail and took the feature race at Calder yesterday at 6/1 odds in a spot where he didn't get his 5lbs bug allowance.

He has the potential to be a hot-bug on the AQU Inner dirt if he ever gets there. I think they might be making a mistake keeping him in Florida like they did with Junior Alvarado. Junior really got scraps at best when he stayed at GP and missed a great opportunity for quick exposure like lesser caliber of riders (Joe Talamo) have taken advantage of.

The slots situation may make the Inner dirt meet tougher -- but still more attractive.

postpicker 11-13-2012 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 901744)
There was some initial talk that this bug rider was going to move his tack to NY at the start of AQU and ride there at least until his bug expires in February.

He's had just 240 mounts in the US so far -- all at Calder -- and he's been statistically sensational. He's showing a strong flat-bet profit in every conceivable category... 2yo, 3yo, older horses, dirt, turf, sprint, route.

Obviously just 240 rides is way too few to statistically judge a jockey imo...but Jilver is getting it done at Calder and his numbers are similar to the ones Junior Alvarado posted there as a bug ... albeit Junior had a much larger sample size.




Jilver came up the rail and took the feature race at Calder yesterday at 6/1 odds in a spot where he didn't get his 5lbs bug allowance.

He has the potential to be a hot-bug on the AQU Inner dirt if he ever gets there. I think they might be making a mistake keeping him in Florida like they did with Junior Alvarado. Junior really got scraps at best when he stayed at GP and missed a great opportunity for quick exposure like lesser caliber of riders (Joe Talamo) have taken advantage of.

The slots situation may make the Inner dirt meet tougher -- but still more attractive.

Problem with Jilver is that he is represented by Steve Adika. He was one of two jocks Adika brought to Calder from Panama this spring, Odhair Mayta was the other one and he is awful. There are not many agents that have burnt more bridges than Steve. The plan was for Jilver to come to AQU but with three bugs already established with business at AQU (Wilmer Garcia, Jose Ortiz and Keibar Coa) and of the course vets like Ramon, Junior, Rajiv, etc riding the inner track, frankly I can't see AQU supporting a 4th bug successfully, especially with an agent that many won't deal with. He could try to come to NY with another agent, but Adika signed him into the country and controls him so his "contract" would have to be bought, similar to what happened when Fernando Jara was bought by Randy Romero. Best thing for Chamafi is go to Tampa and maintain his Calder business and develop new ones, he has no shot at AQU or GP this winter.

blackthroatedwind 11-13-2012 09:58 AM

Rajiv is riding at Gulfstream.

MISTERGEE 11-14-2012 02:44 PM

Calder being my home track I see Chamafi more often than most. I guess he seems to bring in his share of bombers. He seems to be fairly one dimensional in that a very high percentage of his mounts he goes right to the front so at CRC maybe thats how hes getting hs prices by being lose on the lead and it working out for him

Calzone Lord 11-14-2012 03:16 PM

He was the top rider in Panama over the few months he rode there before coming here.

I saw he was on a $21.60 winner in the second at CRC today.

It feels like his bug has been wasted because he has no name right now and every jockey loses an edge and big selling point when the bug is gone.

Indian Charlie 11-14-2012 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 902030)
He was the top rider in Panama over the few months he rode there before coming here.

I saw he was on a $21.60 winner in the second at CRC today.

It feels like his bug has been wasted because he has no name right now and every jockey loses an edge and big selling point when the bug is gone.

make him the next lumpkins!

blackthroatedwind 11-25-2012 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 901848)
Rajiv is riding at Gulfstream.

Correction....he is staying in NY.

GPK 11-25-2012 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 903772)
Correction....he is staying in NY.

Just curious, but did he give a reason why he changed his mind?

NTamm1215 11-25-2012 10:40 AM

He should be ready to go in January after getting a vacation in December thanks to the 8th on Friday.

Calzone Lord 11-25-2012 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK (Post 903776)
Just curious, but did he give a reason why he changed his mind?

On his twitter page it says:

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where ever the $ @

GPK 11-25-2012 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 903778)
On his twitter page it says:

Missed that one. Thanks.

blackthroatedwind 11-25-2012 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK (Post 903776)
Just curious, but did he give a reason why he changed his mind?

Yes.

Calzone Lord 11-25-2012 11:14 AM

He's had another bang-up year, statistically.





Losing more than double the takeout from over 1,200 mounts.

tabs 11-25-2012 12:18 PM

Yup, here's what I had to say regarding Rajiv yesterday in the selections thread!

Maragh, my least favorite jock who rides some nice horses! I will never understand why any outfit at "major tracks" use this guy.... I've been on the losing end of his notorious "bad rides" costing me thousands......

I don't think he watches replays intelligently enough nor does he seem to understand race setups or the abilities of the horse he's riding let alone the other horses in the race imo....

GPK 11-25-2012 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 903786)
Yes.

That's why I like you.

Indian Charlie 11-25-2012 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 903811)
Yup, here's what I had to say regarding Rajiv yesterday in the selections thread!

Maragh, my least favorite jock who rides some nice horses! I will never understand why any outfit at "major tracks" use this guy.... I've been on the losing end of his notorious "bad rides" costing me thousands......

I don't think he watches replays intelligently enough nor does he seem to understand race setups or the abilities of the horse he's riding let alone the other horses in the race imo....

He's a jockey, thus unable to fathom strategy beyond that of a preschooler.

With jockeys, it's just a matter of degree of dumbness.

tabs 11-25-2012 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 903851)
He's a jockey, thus unable to fathom strategy beyond that of a preschooler.

With jockeys, it's just a matter of degree of dumbness.

I’d appreciate if someone could give an explanation why Rajiv gets the quality of mounts that he does!!

His agent is one heck of a salesmen.....

Indian Charlie 11-25-2012 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 903859)
I’d appreciate if someone could give an explanation why Rajiv gets the quality of mounts that he does!!

His agent is one heck of a salesmen.....

I don't know, but why did Chris McCarron get such awesome mounts when he clearly overthought everything and repeated his same mistakes for about ten years.

To his credit, he did eventually figure out that strangling the speed out of a horse in a route race never works.

Dahoss 11-25-2012 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 904005)
I don't know, but why did Chris McCarron get such awesome mounts when he clearly overthought everything and repeated his same mistakes for about ten years.

To his credit, he did eventually figure out that strangling the speed out of a horse in a route race never works.

It appears he has taught the new jocks his same bad mistakes. Route races in this country are a joke at this point, with the way they are being ridden.

It's like everyone rides like it's the first meet at Keeneland, where everything was a 1/4 mile dash to the finish. Surface doesn't matter. It's just one grab after grab.

Indian Charlie 11-26-2012 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 904009)
It appears he has taught the new jocks his same bad mistakes. Route races in this country are a joke at this point, with the way they are being ridden.

It's like everyone rides like it's the first meet at Keeneland, where everything was a 1/4 mile dash to the finish. Surface doesn't matter. It's just one grab after grab.

Yeah man.

I'm really not prone to casting stereotypes about, but man, seriously, jockeys are the most unthinking people ever.


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