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Riot 08-28-2012 03:58 PM
This CEO - what a jerk
 
Murray Energy Miners Allege They Had To Give Up Pay To Attend 'Mandatory' Romney Rally

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Earlier this month, Mitt Romney was welcomed for a campaign event at the Century Mine in Beallsville, Ohio, by hundreds of coal workers and their families. Now many of the mine's workers are saying they were forced to give up a day-worth of pay to attend the event, and they feared they might be fired if they didn’t, according to local news radio WWVA.

The claims have been mostly denied by Rob Moore, Chief Financial Officer of Murray Energy Company, which owns the mine. He acknowledges that workers weren’t paid that day but says no one was made to attend the event. Well, kind of.

"Our managers communicated to our workforce that the attendance at the Romney event was mandatory, but no one was forced to attend," he told local news radio WWVA, which has received several emails from workers claiming that the company records names of workers that don't attend those types of events.

The company's interest in having its employees show support for Romney may be a result of its CEO's close ties with the presumptive Republican nominee. In May, Romney teamed up with Murray's CEO Bob Murray for a fundraising event in West Virginia. And Murray's made no secret of his support for the Republican party, previously backing Rick Perry.

In addition, his company has donated more than $900,000 to Republican candidates in the last two years, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

Crown@club 08-29-2012 10:07 AM
http://www.cleveland.com/open/index....when_mitt.html

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index....urray_def.html

Sounds like the media, who heard the radio personality, who over-heard someone produce a rumor that they will be fired for not attending the event, so they ran with it.

Typical BS to produce a story.

Riot 08-29-2012 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Crown@club (Post 886923)
http://www.cleveland.com/open/index....when_mitt.html

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index....urray_def.html

Sounds like the media, who heard the radio personality, who over-heard someone produce a rumor that they will be fired for not attending the event, so they ran with it.

Typical BS to produce a story.
:zz: The two stories you posted verify exactly what I first posted about the allegation of worker intimidation.

Where do you get it was false or made up BS? What you posted doesn't say that. It repeats and expands upon the "workers say, management says" of what I first posted - which "is" the story.

geeker2 08-29-2012 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Crown@club (Post 886923)
http://www.cleveland.com/open/index....when_mitt.html

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index....urray_def.html

Sounds like the media, who heard the radio personality, who over-heard someone produce a rumor that they will be fired for not attending the event, so they ran with it.

Typical BS to produce a story.
Just amazing the spin that goes on to try and demonize.:zz:

Riot 08-29-2012 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by geeker2 (Post 886953)
Just amazing the spin that goes on to try and demonize.:zz:
Well, it's a "workers say" vs "management says" situation, it appears.

Why would the workers lie? Workers are told all the time to straighten up and pose for political candidates on both sides.

No man should lose a day of pay for it. Management should have paid the men that down day, IMO. It was an extra scheduled down day, not a holiday. Men plan on working their regular schedule, and need that predictable money. Losing one pay day out of 10 or 12 is significant for most workers.

Crown@club 08-29-2012 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 886951)
:zz: The two stories you posted verify exactly what I first posted about the allegation of worker intimidation.

Where do you get it was false or made up BS? What you posted doesn't say that. It repeats and expands upon the "workers say, management says" of what I first posted - which "is" the story.
You're kidding, right?

What I took from below was that the mine was shut down for safety concerns. Since these workers work for a mining company, it may had been in their best interest to attend the event as they were going to talk about the future of the Coal Industry.

Anything else, which I believe, had been embelished by an ill-informed employee.

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Because the company's mine had to be shut down for "safety and security" reasons during Romney's visit, Moore confirmed workers were not paid that day. He said miners also lose pay when weather or power outages shut down the mine, and noted that federal election law doesn't let companies pay workers to attend political events.

Moore said he didn't see anything negative in attending Romney's campaign appearance with U.S. Sen. Rob Portman and Ohio Treasurer Josh Mandel.

"We are talking about an event that was in the best interest of anyone that's related to the coal industry in this area or the entire country," Moore said in the radio interview.

When contacted about the interview on Monday afternoon, Murray Energy spokesman Gary Broadbent emailed this statement: "Rob Moore made it abundantly clear that no employees were forced to attend the Romney event. All participation was, and always has been, completely voluntary.".

geeker2 08-29-2012 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Crown@club (Post 886962)
You're kidding, right?

What I took from below was that the mine was shut down for safety concerns. Since these workers work for a mining company, it may had been in their best interest to attend the event as they were going to talk about the future of the Coal Industry.

Anything else which I believe had been embelished, which seems to happen a lot when you are just an employee.
You just can't let the truth get in the way of a good chance to demonize:tro:

Rudeboyelvis 08-29-2012 12:30 PM
Where were the United Mine Workers?

Riot 08-29-2012 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Crown@club (Post 886962)
You're kidding, right?

What I took from below was that the mine was shut down for safety concerns.
No, I"m not kidding.

As you posted:
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Because the company's mine had to be shut down for "safety and security" reasons during Romney's visit, Moore confirmed workers were not paid that day.
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"Our managers communicated to our workforce that the attendance at the Romney event was mandatory, but no one was forced to attend,"
I read it as the mine was shut down for "safety reasons" that day only. Because "Romney was visiting" . There were not enough miners there to work it safely - they were at the rally, or were supposed to be. The remaining miners were not allowed to be at the mine that day.

Geesh - the owner of the mine shut down the mine during Romney's visit, and told the miners to attend the rally and stand behind Romney.

None of them were paid for the day, using the excuse of "mine closed for safety reasons", whether they attended the rally or not. But they were ordered to "work" via attending the rally. And not paid.

They should have been paid for the day IMO. Yeah - that's not very fair, it makes the CEO a jerk in my eyes, and it has nothing to do with the particular politics.

dellinger63 08-29-2012 12:34 PM
Truth doesn't matter anymore because if it did Obama would be unelectable.

Riot 08-29-2012 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by geeker2 (Post 886965)
You just can't let the truth get in the way of a good chance to demonize:tro:
Get off trying to start a bitch where none exists. We are simply discussing the story, nobody is angry, if you can't do so without starting personal accusatory crap, go away. Ditto to Dell and Rude.

geeker2 08-29-2012 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 886967)
Where were the United Mine Workers?
Probably thanking Obama for dismantling the coal industry in the US.

Made it home safe?

Rudeboyelvis 08-29-2012 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by geeker2 (Post 887009)
Probably thanking Obama for dismantling the coal industry in the US.

Made it home safe?
Hey Kev! Yes - a day late, but no worse for wear - how about you?

Rudeboyelvis 08-29-2012 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 886970)
Get off trying to start a bitch where none exists. We are simply discussing the story, nobody is angry, if you can't do so without starting personal accusatory crap, go away. Ditto to Dell and Rude.
Fuc.k off. I didn't say sh.it to you - there is no reason for your personal assaults.

Riot 08-29-2012 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 887020)
Fuc.k off. I didn't say sh.it to you - there is no reason for your personal assaults.
Back at you, hypocritical big guy. Your comment on "United Mine Workers" - care to elaborate on the union protections regarding the pay of mine workers?

Or were you really not serious and just throwing out a snark political attack against Democrats? Your self-rightous indignation and cursing is hard to read through. I imagine it's because i hit a nerve. Dayum.

This story has nothing to do with Romney or Obama politics. It's about how a CEO treated his employees. A political rally - and who the candidate was doesn't matter, it could have been Obama - was the excuse for the treatment.

Anyone dragging Obama or Romney into it is simply trolling the diary. And too stupid to talk about the subject - which is workers rights.

geeker2 08-29-2012 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 887019)
Hey Kev! Yes - a day late, but no worse for wear - how about you?
Yup - all went as planned. Tampa Bay Downs on the Bucket List for sure Dan !

Rudeboyelvis 08-29-2012 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 887026)
Back at you, hypocritical big guy. Your comment on "United Mine Workers" - care to elaborate on the union protections regarding the pay of mine workers?

Or were you really not serious and just throwing out a snark political attack against Democrats? Your self-rightous indignation and cursing is hard to read through. I imagine it's because i hit a nerve. Dayum.

This story has nothing to do with Romney or Obama politics. It's about how a CEO treated his employees. A political rally - and who the candidate was doesn't matter, it could have been Obama - was the excuse for the treatment.

Anyone dragging Obama or Romney into it is simply trolling the diary. And too stupid to talk about the subject - which is workers rights.
My only point was that if were represented by the UMW there is no way the "CEO" could unilaterally decide not to pay workers and make them go to a rally.

All the rest of this psycho-drivel is nothing but your asinine, bat-sh.it crazy assumptions of me which you know nothing about.

Again, This is the 2nd time I've respectfully asked that you keep your personal attacks out of this forum and to yourself.

Hopefully a mod will find these self-righteous personal attacks as tiring as the rest of us, and do the right thing once and for all.

Riot 08-29-2012 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 887038)
My only point was that if were represented by the UMW there is no way the "CEO" could unilaterally decide not to pay workers and make them go to a rally.
Ah! So you are really interested in discussing boss vs worker issues. Great! So .. are these guys UMW? The boss says they never get paid for "closed safety" days - think he's telling the truth, or not? Probably.

But that leaves open why the mine was closed for "safety" on this one particular day, when it was "Romney is visiting, and attendance is mandatory by all employees"

The boss should have given them the day off, and paid them. The CEO appears to be a cheap bastard.


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All the rest of this psycho-drivel is nothing but your asinine, bat-sh.it crazy assumptions of me which you know nothing about.

Again, This is the 2nd time I've respectfully asked that you keep your personal attacks out of this forum and to yourself.

Hopefully a mod will find these self-righteous personal attacks as tiring as the rest of us, and do the right thing once and for all.
You've heard of the term, "cognitive dissonance", I assume? If not, ask Dell about it.

bigrun 08-29-2012 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 887038)
My only point was that if were represented by the UMW there is no way the "CEO" could unilaterally decide not to pay workers and make them go to a rally.

All the rest of this psycho-drivel is nothing but your asinine, bat-sh.it crazy assumptions of me which you know nothing about.

Again, This is the 2nd time I've respectfully asked that you keep your personal attacks out of this forum and to yourself..
LMAO

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Hopefully a mod will find these self-righteous personal attacks as tiring as the rest of us, and do the right thing once and for all.
You might be in their sights..:)

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 887020)
Fuc.k off. I didn't say sh.it to you - there is no reason for your personal assaults.
Now that's more respectful...:)

Crown@club 10-14-2012 11:41 PM
Proof of no worker intimidation going on the place thus my interpretation that this article to start the thread was pure BS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzU3o...&feature=share


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