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bigrun 02-16-2012 05:41 PM

GM posts its highest profit ever: $7.6 billion
 
Workers to get 7K bonus....to help offset paycuts and benefits cuts...stock up 2 points....China big customer...


http://news.yahoo.com/gm-posts-highe...224153178.html

DaTruth 02-16-2012 07:48 PM

That is good to hear. The GM plant here was shut down recently, and my neighbor and a friend, who were both in high level positions at the plant, had to pull up roots and move their families in order to continue working for GM.

It is nice that after paying back the taxpayers, GM had enough left over to hand out bonuses.

geeker2 02-16-2012 08:41 PM

Don't we the tax payers still own like 25% of GM?

I say cut that bonus!

Danzig 02-16-2012 08:46 PM

read the article.
gm hasn't paid back all the bailout money. the govt (us) still owns a huge amount of shares. it says the stock price would have to double for the govt (again, us) can be 'repaid'.
now, big profits can help that price. this news certainly doesn't hurt.

geeker2 02-16-2012 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 839219)
read the article.
gm hasn't paid back all the bailout money. the govt (us) still owns a huge amount of shares. it says the stock price would have to double for the govt (again, us) can be 'repaid'.
now, big profits can help that price. this news certainly doesn't hurt.

Uh I did "read the article "but what does that have to do with paying a bonus. My point is give me back my tax payer monies before we start dolling out a bonus.

Buy maybe I am just cheap with my hard earned money:-)

Danzig 02-16-2012 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geeker2 (Post 839226)
Uh I did "read the article "but what does that have to do with paying a bonus. My point is give me back my tax payer monies before we start dolling out a bonus.

Buy maybe I am just cheap with my hard earned money:-)

i said read it since you asked what percentage the govt owns...

you'd probably have to go back and read the details of the deal. i'm not sure if they have to buy back the stock, or pay back money. the govt may just end up holding onto their shares. i certainly don't see them selling it until the price is right...so, if that's the only way they/we can be paid back, bonuses are a moot point.

Honu 02-16-2012 10:25 PM

Moving out of WI and putting a plant in China......training a couple of 100 new Chinese people to run the show. Love the job growth that this administration is pushing. 115 yr old plant packing up and moving out.

Coach Pants 02-17-2012 05:06 AM

Moral of the story...


You can be incompetent when you're in a gang.

dellinger63 02-17-2012 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 839233)
i said read it since you asked what percentage the govt owns...

you'd probably have to go back and read the details of the deal. i'm not sure if they have to buy back the stock, or pay back money. the govt may just end up holding onto their shares. i certainly don't see them selling it until the price is right...so, if that's the only way they/we can be paid back, bonuses are a moot point.

Good News: the taxpayer gets even when GM hits around $134/share

Bad News: GM current price $27.52, all time high $93 (12 years ago)

Real Bad News: the taxpayer holds more than 300 million shares.

and they're paying bonuses?


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39316448...even-price-gm/

Antitrust32 02-17-2012 12:43 PM

It may just be me. But I don't have a problems with regular blue collar workers getting a 7k bonus. Especially if they had pay cuts.

Now if the exec's are getting 6 figure bonuses on the tax payer dime.. I do have a big problem with that.

Clip-Clop 02-17-2012 02:15 PM

When you still technically owe people about 27 billion dollars, you really aren't profitable.
This is proof that when you have the opportunity to renegotiate a union contract that has been bleeding your company dry and driving it into the earth to more reasonable terms because the alternative was death, you are also bound to make more money. I am glad they did well, I just would have rather it been on other terms and would certainly preferred this be kept quieter like the bonuses that will go to the white collar workers will be until someone finds out.
They are also abandoning the untenable pension deal in lieu of a 401K like normal people have. Another good call.

bigrun 02-17-2012 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 839309)
It may just be me. But I don't have a problems with regular blue collar workers getting a 7k bonus. Especially if they had pay cuts.

Now if the exec's are getting 6 figure bonuses on the tax payer dime.. I do have a big problem with that.


It's not just you....:tro:

Riot 02-17-2012 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 839309)
It may just be me. But I don't have a problems with regular blue collar workers getting a 7k bonus. Especially if they had pay cuts.

Now if the exec's are getting 6 figure bonuses on the tax payer dime.. I do have a big problem with that.

Not just you. Pay cuts for all, especially starting sals, and pension cuts, benefit cuts. And all those jobs saved, the company reopening 2 plants, the supply chain jobs saved, the industry saved.

I'm tired of the whiners bitching. The President saved the US auto industry. Just say thank you. And if you don't like it, too bad, it's done, and it WORKED.

dellinger63 02-21-2012 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 839388)
Not just you. Pay cuts for all, especially starting sals, and pension cuts, benefit cuts. And all those jobs saved, the company reopening 2 plants, the supply chain jobs saved, the industry saved.

I'm tired of the whiners bitching. The President saved the US auto industry. Just say thank you. And if you don't like it, too bad, it's done, and it WORKED.


Good News: $7.6 Billion profit, $7K checks to 47,500 workers $332.5 million (four percent of profits)

Bad News: $27.2 billion still owed on $49.5 billion to the American taxpayer, divided per taxpayer $181 bucks.

Reality: $27.2 billion divided by 47,500 workers comes to $570,000 per job. Heck there are only some 10 million and some unemployed. At $570K a head we’re only talking about $5.7 trillion.

More Reality: This of course secures at least 47,500 union votes come November.

You Can’t Handle the Reality: We’re celebrating a $7.6 billion GM profit on a $27.2 billion Taxpayer loss?

My hope is at least a good portion of the 150 million taxpayers judge ‘WORKED’ much differently than you do.

Riot 02-21-2012 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 840182)
You Can’t Handle the Reality: We’re celebrating a $7.6 billion GM profit on a $27.2 billion Taxpayer loss?

No. We're celebrating the reality of the auto industry still existing in the United States, GM currently being number one in the world again, and hundreds of thousands of workers in the auto industry and supply chains not being unemployed, homeless and starving in the streets.

But you keep whining about it :D

dellinger63 02-21-2012 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 840209)
No. We're celebrating the reality of the auto industry still existing in the United States, GM currently being number one in the world again, and hundreds of thousands of workers in the auto industry and supply chains not being unemployed, homeless and starving in the streets.

But you keep whining about it :D

Was Ford going to quit out of respect?

You keep telling yourself it was worth it.

Bottom line a $27.2 billion loss to the taxpayer.

With the record profits on the books and the stock price still needing to double the future doesn't look too bright either.

Riot 02-21-2012 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 840214)
Bottom line a $27.2 billion loss to the taxpayer.

Bottom line American automobile industry still here, hundreds of thousands of jobs saved, huge manufacturing base saved. A raging success.

We have a different view. Good luck with yours :tro: Mine is pretty rosy :-) The view is great from here.

dellinger63 02-22-2012 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 840218)
Bottom line American automobile industry still here, hundreds of thousands of jobs saved, huge manufacturing base saved. A raging success.

We have a different view. Good luck with yours :tro: Mine is pretty rosy :-) The view is great from here.

FYI GM employs under 60K in the U.S.

And again I hope the majority don't see a $27.2 billion dollar loss to the taxpayer so a failing corporation can reap a $7 billion profit as rosy. In fact I hope they see it for what it is, a ripoff of the people.

If it had been a Private Equity firm that signed onto this deal there would people in jail, with investors screaming for their heads, yet you cheer on? :zz:

You do realiize that had GM actually gone out of business the demand for vehicles would have not decreased by a single one?

dellinger63 08-14-2012 08:35 PM

Ouch!

Just over 6 mos. later we're at $20.21 a share. Another $8 billion to the taxpayer. And we were debating the 'bonus' checks to 47K GM workers?

We got f'd not once or twice but a bunch of times.

And to think Obama supporters are still celebrating this success? :zz:

Thepaindispenser 08-16-2012 06:44 AM

It costs the taxpayers $25 billion so that Obama could bail out the UAW who bribed him with campaign contributions. Meanwhile non-union members and bond holders got screwed. This is not a success, it is a crime and a debacle.


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