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Calzone Lord 02-10-2012 11:16 PM

Tomcito 2.0
 
Fly Lexis Fly has been in the United States with Neil Drysdale for about a month now. He was just nominated to the Triple Crown.



He won the Derby in Peru by almost 11 lengths over 10 other horses -- as an American 2yo facing horses roughly six months older.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUwFnQ09PHk

He's by Badge of Silver out of a Silver Charm mare. His 2nd dam is Grade 1 Del Mar Oaks winner Bail Out Becky. Good US turf pedigree top and bottom.

All 3 times he's raced with lasix he's run big races. The right horses finished behind him in those races and they've come back and run well since.

It's too hard to gauge a speed figure for him because his 10f win and 12f win came on days when only dirt sprints and turf routes were carded in the other races.

His 8-length MSW win in 1:12 4/5th for 6fs was a very strong win. That same day, Nishme, a top 4-year-old female sprinter in Peru won by 4 lengths over males in 1:12 2/5ths. http://www.pedigreequery.com/nishme

Fly Lexis Fly is unquestionably a better prospect than Tomcito was. Tomcito won the Peru Derby with a late surge inside the final furlong -- Fly Lexis Fly was in front double digits by the same point Tomcito reached the lead at.

Fly Lexis Fly's Derby time was 2:32 4/5ths. Tomcito's Derby time was 2:35 2/5ths. Fly Lexis Fly's Clasico's time was 2:07 2/5ths. Tomcito's Clasico time was 2:09 3/5ths. In both races, FLF was over 2 full seconds faster.

Al Kahali (multiple Graded Stakes winner in the USA - and entered in Gulfstream's two big races tomorrow) started his career in Peru as well -- and certainly was nowhere near as good there. Tomcito ran a distanst 3rd in the Florida Derby behind Big Brown in his US debut. Never did much here. Was a mid 80's Beyer type horse.

This is certainly the best looking horse I've seen come here from Peru. Drysdale is way too careful to rush him along though. Maybe a horse to watch for the summer.

Thoroughbred Fan 02-11-2012 06:56 AM

The Ramsey's may buy him back. They love their homebreds.

Rudeboyelvis 02-11-2012 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan (Post 837841)
The Ramsey's may buy him back. They love their homebreds.

Nice Avy, T-Bred Fan

my miss storm cat 02-11-2012 12:34 PM

Xuang Feng was on the same flight right? Any thoughts on him or on the newly-arrived Chilean kids Ascot Prince (who was actually HOY a year or two ago) or Omayad (sp)?

Amani was supposed to be coming but not sure if she's here yet. I think Drysdale gets her too.Not sure.

Thanks for posting the replay!

Calzone Lord 02-11-2012 03:32 PM

Drysdale is the West Coast John Ward.

outofthebox 02-11-2012 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 837937)
Drysdale is the West Coast John Ward.

LOL..Thats a good one!

El Padrino 02-12-2012 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 837813)
Fly Lexis Fly has been in the United States with Neil Drysdale for about a month now. He was just nominated to the Triple Crown.



He won the Derby in Peru by almost 11 lengths over 10 other horses -- as an American 2yo facing horses roughly six months older.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUwFnQ09PHk

He's by Badge of Silver out of a Silver Charm mare. His 2nd dam is Grade 1 Del Mar Oaks winner Bail Out Becky. Good US turf pedigree top and bottom.

All 3 times he's raced with lasix he's run big races. The right horses finished behind him in those races and they've come back and run well since.

It's too hard to gauge a speed figure for him because his 10f win and 12f win came on days when only dirt sprints and turf routes were carded in the other races.

His 8-length MSW win in 1:12 4/5th for 6fs was a very strong win. That same day, Nishme, a top 4-year-old female sprinter in Peru won by 4 lengths over males in 1:12 2/5ths. http://www.pedigreequery.com/nishme

Fly Lexis Fly is unquestionably a better prospect than Tomcito was. Tomcito won the Peru Derby with a late surge inside the final furlong -- Fly Lexis Fly was in front double digits by the same point Tomcito reached the lead at.

Fly Lexis Fly's Derby time was 2:32 4/5ths. Tomcito's Derby time was 2:35 2/5ths. Fly Lexis Fly's Clasico's time was 2:07 2/5ths. Tomcito's Clasico time was 2:09 3/5ths. In both races, FLF was over 2 full seconds faster.

Al Kahali (multiple Graded Stakes winner in the USA - and entered in Gulfstream's two big races tomorrow) started his career in Peru as well -- and certainly was nowhere near as good there. Tomcito ran a distanst 3rd in the Florida Derby behind Big Brown in his US debut. Never did much here. Was a mid 80's Beyer type horse.

This is certainly the best looking horse I've seen come here from Peru. Drysdale is way too careful to rush him along though. Maybe a horse to watch for the summer.



Tomcito has never won any race in the US, and by the way it was very bad trained.



Al Kahali in anothe rone that eventough has goodones, it now running very bad.



Fli Lexis Fly does not have the experience to run the kentyucky, and even if it runs it will be arriving at night.

my miss storm cat 02-13-2012 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Padrino (Post 838167)
Tomcito has never won any race in the US, and by the way it was very bad trained.



Al Kahali in anothe rone that eventough has goodones, it now running very bad.



Fli Lexis Fly does not have the experience to run the kentyucky, and even if it runs it will be arriving at night.

Welcome to the forum.

I'm just wondering where you're from (?)... :)

El Padrino 02-13-2012 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 838420)
Welcome to the forum.

I'm just wondering where you're from (?)... :)





Nobody can talk of personal matters, we have only to discuss about racing issues.

my miss storm cat 02-13-2012 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Padrino (Post 838430)
Nobody can talk of personal matters, we have only to discuss about racing issues.

Oh okay!

I was going to ask about other horses if you were in some other part of the world but that's cool. Sorry to have offended you.

El Padrino 02-13-2012 01:49 PM

Fly Lexis Fly
 
We can discuss about the horses that go to the Kentucky, the possible ones,but about logic things, fly lexis fly is not even trained, with such an issue, it is really difficolt that this horse reaches the Derby trial.

cmorioles 02-13-2012 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 838420)
Welcome to the forum.

I'm just wondering where you're from (?)... :)

Guessing Erie 2.0.

Clip-Clop 02-13-2012 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Padrino (Post 838435)
We can discuss about the horses that go to the Kentucky, the possible ones,but about logic things, fly lexis fly is not even trained, with such an issue, it is really difficolt that this horse reaches the Derby trial.

With Drysdale, no?

my miss storm cat 02-13-2012 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 838436)
Guessing Erie 2.0.

:D

You're on a roll today. :p

my miss storm cat 02-13-2012 02:50 PM

I'm sorry if that was personal, by the way.

Gate Dancer 02-14-2012 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan (Post 837841)
The Ramsey's may buy him back. They love their homebreds.

Something must have held them back from keeping this one to only sell for $5000. I agree they are pretty loyal. Hmmmmm..........

(P.S. -- great thread title)


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