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Rudeboyelvis 01-05-2012 09:08 AM

Hope, Change & Tyranny - Buh Bye, Bill of Rights
 
>>>One of the most extraordinary documents in human history -- the Bill of Rights -- has come to an end under President Barack Obama. Derived from sacred principles of natural law, the Bill of Rights has come to a sudden and catastrophic end with the President's signing of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), a law that grants the U.S. military the "legal" right to conduct secret kidnappings of U.S. citizens, followed by indefinite detention, interrogation, torture and even murder. This is all conducted completely outside the protection of law, with no jury, no trial, no legal representation and not even any requirement that the government produce evidence against the accused. It is a system of outright government tyranny against the American people, and it effectively nullifies the Bill of Rights.

In what will be remembered as the most traitorous executive signing ever committed against the American people, President Obama signed the bill on New Year's Eve, a time when most Americans were engaged in the consumption of alcohol. It seems appropriate, of course, since no intelligent American could accept the tyranny of this bill if they were sober.<<<




http://www.naturalnews.com/034537_ND...hts_Obama.html

bigrun 01-05-2012 10:43 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act

geeker2 01-05-2012 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 829279)


What no cartoon? :(

bigrun 01-05-2012 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by geeker2 (Post 829280)
What no cartoon? :(

If you insist..:D







geeker2 01-05-2012 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 829283)
If you insist..:D



Much better :tro::{>:

DaTruth 01-05-2012 12:37 PM

Give the guy a break. He had serious reservations before signing the legislation into law.

Rudeboyelvis 01-05-2012 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 829279)

That's brilliant.

Tell me, what was the purpose of the NDAA if the Patriot Act purportedly allows the Gov't to enter your home and remove whom ever they want, hold them indefinitely, without any form of due process?

Oh....That's right, it doesn't.

I guess you've got the reading comprehension skills of a typical Obama-ite as well.

Obama, running a campaign for president, promised to revisit and repeal the most civil-liberty intrusive portions of the Patriot Act. He not only broke that promise, but signed a 4 year renewal that reinforced every key element of it.


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ersight-on-go/


And for good measure, now signed a bill into law that dismisses the 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th amendments to the Constitution.

Might be a good idea to understand what you're quoting before you blindly support a position - but then again, it's hard to expect that much from folks that would rather blame others for the actions of their incumbent.

Cliff Notes version for the tl;dr crowd - the Patriot Act authorizes the surveillance of suspected enemy combatants on US soil; the NDAA wipes it's ass with the constitution, and flushes it to Cuba.

And G. Bush had nothing to do with it - this is all on Obama.

Pretty amazing that anyone could blame this on G. Bush

Riot 01-05-2012 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 829322)
I guess you've got the reading comprehension skills of a typical Obama-ite as well.

Speaking of reading comprehension skills, there have already been two threads on this subject.

But I'm glad, after months of this subject being in the news as Congress added more and more of this crap to the regular defense bill, and as the administration sent back the bill time and time again to have the added stuff taken out, and the blogosphere exploded with concerns about this stuff, that you've finally noticed.

Rudeboyelvis 01-05-2012 01:12 PM

That's hilarious - you weren't even in the discussion - good going. This is the second thread actually, (check your comprehension) one dealt with the Senate bill 1867, and this now deals with his new law. two different subjects - thus two different threads started by me. So obviously I've not only "noticed" this for quite some time, but choose to see the facts without blinders, like some. But don't let that stop you from lashing out at anyone who would bring the topic to the surface - that's pure comedy.

I don't spend every waking hour responding to you, while you hold your 24 hour - 7 day a week vigil on here to defend every single bowel movement the guy makes - right, wrong, or indifferent. So if that's how you define awareness, your perception is off.

Tell me - How in the world can you possibly defend his actions with regard to this?

The reality is that it is an indefensible position - one that might be expected from a far-right fascist, but nauseatingly hypocritical from a guy who ran as a "champion of the people".


So this is the legislature's fault? The devil made him do it? Wow.

Riot 01-05-2012 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 829333)
That's hilarious - good going. How in the world can you possibly defend his actions with regard to this?

My apologies - I don't spend every waking hour responding to you, while you hold your 24 hour - 7 day a week vigil on here to defend every single bowel movement the guy makes, right, wrong, or indifferent.

It's an indefensible position, one that might be expected from a far-right facist, but nauseatingly hypocritical from a guy who ran as a "champion of the people".


So this is the legislature's fault? The devil made him do it? Wow.

Sigh.

If only you "anti-Obama-ites" had a foot grounded in reality, and didn't just make angry crap up whole cloth out of thin air, about what you guess to be the other person's position or thoughts or viewpoint.

I'm really not into debating your guys imaginary boogeymen and leaps of assumption, or defending myself from your vividly false imagination.

Antitrust32 01-05-2012 01:39 PM

Sigh.

Rudeboyelvis... don't you know that Riot knows everything about everything? and that Obama is the greatest president ever? He can do no wrong.

The evil republicans FORCED Obama to sign a law that violates the constitution. Its the SENATE's fault.. lead by those filthy GOP... oh wait, the Senate has a Dem majority. It has to be the House's fault. Obama is perfect just like Riot.

Sigh.

Riot 01-05-2012 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 829340)
Sigh.

Rudeboyelvis... don't you know that Riot knows everything about everything? and that Obama is the greatest president ever? He can do no wrong.

The evil republicans FORCED Obama to sign a law that violates the constitution. Its the SENATE's fault.. lead by those filthy GOP... oh wait, the Senate has a Dem majority. It has to be the House's fault. Obama is perfect just like Riot.

Sigh.

Too bad that's not my point of view. Either are any of Rude's assumptions. And I'm not referring to the two threads that Rude started.

Geeshus, teh angry, hating stupid, it burns.

bigrun 01-05-2012 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 829322)
And G. Bush had nothing to do with it - this is all on Obama.

Pretty amazing that anyone could blame this on G. Bush


au contraire my friend.....G dumya Bush has everything to do with it..

I blame bush for everything that's happened past 8 years....and for the Obama presidency...Ever wonder how this country elected a black man as President?..with suspect credentials and allegiances?...
If it wasn't for Bush, there would be no President Obama...i.e. no Bush, no Obama....I rest my case....

Antitrust32 01-05-2012 01:43 PM

where does it burn Riot? when you go #1? You should really see a doctor.

Antitrust32 01-05-2012 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 829342)
au contraire my friend.....G dumya Bush has everything to do with it..

I blame bush for everything that's happened past 8 years....and for the Obama presidency...Ever wonder how this country elected a black man as President?..with suspect credentials and allegiances?...
If it wasn't for Bush, there would be no President Obama...i.e. no Bush, no Obama....I rest my case....

LOL.. good point.

Riot 01-05-2012 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 829343)
where does it burn Riot? when you go #1? You should really see a doctor.

We need to fund more public education. Reading. Then maybe the presumptively angry wouldn't sound so obnoxiously stupid screaming at me for positions I don't hold. You guys are entertaining, to a point. Then you're just ... obnoxious.


bigrun 01-05-2012 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 829344)
LOL.. good point.


Actually i really blame Clinton for all our problems today....Follow me here.

If the Clinton blowjob was never exposed, Gore sweeps into the White House. Rules for 8 years, no Iraq war...In and out of Afgan in year with bin laden's head on a stick...Obama remains an obscure politician...McCain elected in 2008 (w/o Palin)...everyone happy in 2012.....till the world ends in Dec....:eek:

Rudeboyelvis 01-05-2012 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 829342)
au contraire my friend.....G dumya Bush has everything to do with it..

I blame bush for everything that's happened past 8 years....and for the Obama presidency...Ever wonder how this country elected a black man as President?..with suspect credentials and allegiances?...
If it wasn't for Bush, there would be no President Obama...i.e. no Bush, no Obama....I rest my case....

Fair enough, you will never get an argument from me, I don't defend the Right and especially will never defend Bush and his cabinet...

It is funny though... I recall the uproar, hue and cry from the Left - when GWB detained enemy combatants from Iraq and Afghanistan at Gitmo.... Now that same Left is as quiet as a church mouse when he signs, with his own hand, a law that allows him to do the same to American citizens? You know, the Gitmo he promised to shut down?

Partisanship to the nth degree.

Rudeboyelvis 01-05-2012 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 829335)
Sigh.

If only you "anti-Obama-ites" had a foot grounded in reality, and didn't just make angry crap up whole cloth out of thin air, about what you guess to be the other person's position or thoughts or viewpoint.

I'm really not into debating your guys imaginary boogeymen and leaps of assumption, or defending myself from your vividly false imagination.

'Cause we all know the President goes out of his way to signs laws that abolish the Constitution for the sole purpose of riling up the tin foil hat crowd - you know, the ones vividly false imaginations of boogymen. :rolleyes:

Honu 01-05-2012 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 829345)
We need to fund more public education. Reading. Then maybe the presumptively angry wouldn't sound so obnoxiously stupid screaming at me for positions I don't hold. You guys are entertaining, to a point. Then you're just ... obnoxious.


Hey Tabby cats are not angry they are the most fun of all. Dont be picking on the Tabby's. They cannot help the country is run by Jackwagons.


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