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Cannon Shell 12-28-2011 11:55 AM

Is this possible?
 
http://www.betonline.com/sports-bett...e-betting-2404

This is from this article on Joe Woodard

"On the other end of the spectrum if he runs back a beaten favorite, you have to stay away from those runners with a vengeance. He is 0 for 737 the past 5 years with beaten chalk."

Is it possible this is accurate? It seems impossible for a beaten favorite to not have rebounded to win over 700 times in a row. If he is winning at 40% with favs that means the other 60% that lose havent won next out in over 5 years? Doug???

RockHardTen1985 12-28-2011 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 827647)
http://www.betonline.com/sports-bett...e-betting-2404

This is from this article on Joe Woodard

"On the other end of the spectrum if he runs back a beaten favorite, you have to stay away from those runners with a vengeance. He is 0 for 737 the past 5 years with beaten chalk."

Is it possible this is accurate? It seems impossible for a beaten favorite to not have rebounded to win over 700 times in a row. If he is winning at 40% with favs that means the other 60% that lose havent won next out in over 5 years? Doug???


Ill forumlate it. Give me a minute.

Dahoss 12-28-2011 12:02 PM

It's true. Amazing stat.

Dahoss 12-28-2011 12:09 PM

I spoke too soon. When you type it into Formulator it does in fact come up as 0 for 764 now. But if you look at a horse like Delta Charlie, he was a beaten favorite at Mountaineer on April 16th and then came back 10 days later and won. He was a beaten favorite on May 27th and then won his next race on August 13th.

Bigsmc 12-28-2011 12:10 PM

Perhaps he denys them ice, as a punishment, when they lose?

RockHardTen1985 12-28-2011 12:13 PM

Im done. But Hoss got it already.

Cannon Shell 12-28-2011 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc (Post 827659)
Perhaps he denys them ice, as a punishment, when they lose?

Considering the purse levels at some of the tracks he runs at I'm not sure how he feeds them win or lose.

Calzone Lord 12-29-2011 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 827647)
"On the other end of the spectrum if he runs back a beaten favorite, you have to stay away from those runners with a vengeance. He is 0 for 737 the past 5 years with beaten chalk."

It basically just means that he's trained 737 horses who've failed to win as the post time favorite over the last 5 years.

I think Formulator puts that stat in there so you can study the PP's of a trainers beaten favorites and look for your own angles and trends.

Calzone Lord 12-29-2011 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 827651)
Amazing stat.

Speaking of which ... what is the deal with Dom Galluscio trained 3rd time starters who run in NY Bred Stakes races?









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