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Kasept 10-10-2011 08:31 AM

10/10: Belmont (8th-9th); Santa Anita (3rd-9th)
 
BELMONT PARK


PRE-SCRATCHES


8th: NY-ALW/N1X, 3+, 6f-IT (P3, DD, Super)

Turn Up the Music and Petey Cramer are VERY beatable top ML choices. Hooligan's Delight prime here with next pair. Suggest DD play into Pebbles to Elusive Pearl (heavier), My Redbyrd (lighter)..

Most Likely: #9 HOOLIGAN'S DELIGHT 4-1 2nd
Best Value: #4 Barrel of Love 6-1 3rd
Exotics Use: #3 Wee Freudian 5-1 WON ($10.60)

$1 Exacta (3-9) Paid $28.50
$1 Trifecta (3-9-4) Paid $87.00



9th: 19th Pebbles, 3yo-F, 1m-T (DD, Super)

Most Likely: #5 Elusive Pearl 3-1 WON ($6.10)
Best Value: #7 My Redbyrd 10-1 3rd
Exotics Use: #4 Ruthenia 7-2 5th
Super Add: #8 Divalarious 6-1 4th

$1 Double (3-5) Paid $17.60



SANTA ANITA


PRE-SCRATCHES


3rd: 37th Jack Goodman, 2yo, 6f (P3, DD, Super)

#5 Sweet Swap a full brother to Sidney's Candy, but wouldn't expect same brilliance quite yet based on mixed reviews of morning machinations..

Most Likely: #4 Secret Circle 4-5 WON ($3.20)
Best Value: #1 Galex 12-1 2nd
Next Best: #5 Sweet Swap 9-5 5th
Super Add: #6 Scallion 8-1 6th


4th: MSW, 2yo-F, 1m-T (P6, P3, DD, Super)

Best Value: #5 Mending Wall 15-1 3rd
Next Best: #3 Special Charm 5-2 4th
Exotics Use: #4 Hannah G 10-1 8th
Super Add: #8 Cascina 3-1 10th


5th: CLM, F&M-3+, 6.5f (P3, DD, Super)

Brutally tough set..

Most Likely: #2 Lisa Lulu 8-1 5th
Best Value: #1 Indiara 15-1 8th
Next Best: #5 Nothing to Fear 6-1 3rd
Exotics Use: #9 Lutess 6-1 10th


6th: CLM, 3yo, 1m-T (P4, P3, DD, Super)

Best Value: #1 Fifth Dimension 6-1 WON ($17.20)
Next Best: #7 Nahem 4-1 5th
Exotics Use: #8 Memen 6-1 9th
Super Add: #4 Every Ego 8-1 6th


7th: OC/N1X, F&M-3+, 6.5f (P3, DD, Super)

Best Value: #11 TEDDY'S PROMISE 8-1 WON ($10.40)
Next Best: #3 Include Me Out 4-1 2nd
Exotics Use: #1 Zenidekka 6-1 9th
Super Add: #12 Brazilian Charm 12-1 12th


8th: 38th Morvich (G3), 3+, 6.5f-T (DD, Super)

Most Likely: #7 Camp Victory 6-5 5th
Best Value: #4 El Gato Malo 8-1 8th
Exotics Use: #3 Excessive Passion 8-1 2nd
Super Add: #6 California Flag 6-1 WON ($15.40)


9th: CA-MDN CLM, 2yo, 6f (Super, Super Hi-5)

Best Value: #8 Tropiluk 9-2 9th
Next Best: #2 Got Even 5-2 WON ($4.60)
Exotics Use: #11 Go to the Pulpit 7-2 3rd
Super Add: #5 Mustache Charlie 10-1 4th
Hi-5 Play: #7 Warren's Marshall 12-1 8th


<$100 P6 Play:

4: 3-4-5
5: 1-2-5-9
6: 1
7: 11
8: 4-7
9: 2-8

3x4x1x1x2x2 = 48 x $2 = $96


<$75 P4 Play:

6: 1-7
7: 1-3-11
8: 3-4-6-7
9: 2-5-7-8-11

2x3x4x5 = 120 x .50 = $60

$0.50 Pick 4 (1/11/6/2,12,13) Paid $906.65


Good luck!
Steve

Kasept 10-10-2011 10:16 AM

BEL SCR/CHG'S

MaTH716 10-10-2011 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 810243)
6th: CLM, 3yo, 1m-T (P4, P3, DD, Super)

Best Value: #1 Fifth Dimension 6-1
Next Best: #7 Nahem 4-1
Exotics Use: #8 Memen 6-1
Super Add: #4 Every Ego 8-1


<$100 P6 Play:

4: 3-4-5
5: 1-2-5-9
6: 1
7: 11
8: 4-7
9: 2-8

3x4x1x1x2x2 = 48 x $2 = $96

Steve, Just a question on what your thinking is around the single in the pick 6? That race seems extremely wide open, what is it about the 1 that makes him a logical single for you?

Rootdog1 10-10-2011 12:55 PM

Steve - Any specifics on Sweet Swap? thanks

Kasept 10-10-2011 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 810256)
Steve, Just a question on what your thinking is around the single in the pick 6? That race seems extremely wide open, what is it about the 1 that makes him a logical single for you?

When certain races -- turf sprints; cheap claimers -- appear wide open to me in P6 sequences, my thinking is to try to go as narrow as possible -- ideally single -- on a simple, main ("caveman") ticket. Find an angle on a horse that projects them in your mind's eye as a winner and go with it. If it's that wide open due to formlessness or chaos potential, you'll need to spend more than you likely care to covering all the possibilities... Better to my way of thinking to save spreads for races where form is creating the competitiveness or where you want to include live longshot(s) with logical(s).

Kasept 10-10-2011 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rootdog1 (Post 810268)
Steve - Any specifics on Sweet Swap? thanks

Just the National Turf observation of last work..

SWEET SWAP (Oct 3-SA 6-1:12.1 H M FT B: Bit odd as this one just gives better and better under ask in 47.0, 112.1. Like a bicycle; you stop pedaling he stops running.---Grade: B

Rootdog1 10-10-2011 01:35 PM

Thanks. I had heard the #1 was working lights out in that race..and trying to decide on that one or Sweet Swap.

Kasept 10-10-2011 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rootdog1 (Post 810277)
Thanks. I had heard the #1 was working lights out in that race..and trying to decide on that one or Sweet Swap.

GALEX Strong while waiting a bit on an older barnmate, reaching under wraps in 49.0, 112.3. Seems better than So Cal debut.---Grade: B

MaTH716 10-10-2011 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 810274)
When certain races -- turf sprints; cheap claimers -- appear wide open to me in P6 sequences, my thinking is to try to go as narrow as possible -- ideally single -- on a simple, main ("caveman") ticket. Find an angle on a horse that projects them in your mind's eye as a winner and go with it. If it's that wide open due to formlessness or chaos potential, you'll need to spend more than you likely care to covering all the possibilities... Better to my way of thinking to save spreads for races where form is creating the competitiveness or where you want to include live longshot(s) with logical(s).

Fair enough Steve as far as the strategy goes, but if you don't mind what made you land on the 1?
I'm just trying to understand what other players might see sometimes that I might be missing with my own handicapping.

Kasept 10-10-2011 01:51 PM

Jeff Siegel's Santa Anita Analysis

Kasept 10-10-2011 02:17 PM

SA SCR/CHG'S

pointman 10-10-2011 06:17 PM

Nice call on the Santa Anita 6th and 7th Steve! :$:

Get that pk4 home!

ADJMK 10-10-2011 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 810274)
When certain races -- turf sprints; cheap claimers -- appear wide open to me in P6 sequences, my thinking is to try to go as narrow as possible -- ideally single -- on a simple, main ("caveman") ticket. Find an angle on a horse that projects them in your mind's eye as a winner and go with it. If it's that wide open due to formlessness or chaos potential, you'll need to spend more than you likely care to covering all the possibilities... Better to my way of thinking to save spreads for races where form is creating the competitiveness or where you want to include live longshot(s) with logical(s).

I agree with you Steve and do the same thing. The frustrating part is that you basically spent $96 that could have been win money at 8-1. At least you were out after the first leg so you did't have to let the ticket ride and could bet additional money. My normal is get the single home at a price in the first leg and then watch a 3/4 and get nothing back. You need enough capital to bet the multi's as well as the win. Multi's are great when you hit but in the longrun sometimes I wonder? Just look at how many near misses you have had lately.

atolunch 10-10-2011 06:56 PM

Bring this one home Steve!!

docicu3 10-10-2011 06:57 PM

Just look at how many near misses you have had lately.[/quote]


Easy now....

The guy is hotter than a nuclear reactor most meets on either side of the country. All of us are still learning this game.

Sometimes putting out tickets for the board doesn't allow him to invest as he might want to otherwise. The tickets wouldn't be playable for a lot of folks who are new here..... Part of the success in the game is playing within a budget.

ADJMK 10-10-2011 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by docicu3 (Post 810390)
Just look at how many near misses you have had lately.




Easy now....

The guy is hotter than a nuclear reactor most meets on either side of the country. All of us are still learning this game.

Sometimes putting out tickets for the board doesn't allow him to invest as he might want to otherwise. The tickets wouldn't be playable for a lot of folks who are new here..... Part of the success in the game is playing within a budget.[/quote]

Far from knocking Steve. Cheering for him to cash this P4.
Just saying how frustrating it can be to be right on a price horse and not be able to cash on the multi. Just a question with a limited bankroll are you better off not betting the multi. Of course that will be the time it comes in.

lazytom 10-10-2011 07:09 PM

steve- wishing you the best- lots of $ to be made

arizonadave 10-10-2011 07:18 PM

wow

arizonadave 10-10-2011 07:20 PM

nice re-rally

lazytom 10-10-2011 07:23 PM

yessss- congrats


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