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PatCummings 09-19-2011 04:04 PM

9/24 (PRX): Pennsylvania Derby (G2), Gallant Bob S., Roanoke S.
 
6th (2:44) Roanoke S.

1 1/16 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $75,000

1 1 Dapper Devil Pennington F DeMasi Kathleen A 116 L 9-2
2 2 Jethro Jr. Otero W P Beattie Stephanie 116 L 9-5
3 3 Gunfighter Gomez G K Klesaris Steve 122 L 7-5
4 4 Layers Montanez R Dotolo David 118 L 12-1
5 5 Smalltownman Acksel J S Orseno Joseph 116 L 10-1
6 6 Royal Clash Carmouche K Guerrero Juan C 116 L 8-1
7 7 Winchill Elliott S DeMasi Kathleen A 111 L 12-1

Pick 3 (Races 6-7-8) / Exacta / Trifecta



10th (5:10) Gallant Bob S.

6 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $250,000

1 1 Biddy Dutrow Anthony W 115 L 9-2
2 2 Indiano Saez L Wolfson Martin D 122 L 9-5
3 3 Deputy Fling Camacho E Allen A Ferris III 115 L 15-1
4 4 Wine Police Leparoux J R Asmussen Steven M 115 L 5-2
5 5 Royal Currier Elliott S Farro Patricia 115 L 6-1
6 6 He's Speightful Carmouche K Springer Hayden W 117 L 12-1
7 7 Poseidon's Warrior Pennington F Reid Robert E Jr 115 L 4-1

First Half Daily Double / Pick 3 (Races 10-11-12) Exacta / Trifecta



11th (5:45) Pennsylvania Derby (G2)

1 1/8 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 1 Ruler On Ice Gomez G K Breen Kelly J 124 L 5-2
2 2 Arthur's Tale Garcia Alan Albertrani Thomas 114 L 12-1
3 3 Pender Harbour Contreras L DePaulo Michael P 119 L 12-1
4 4 Norman Asbjornson Pimentel J Grove Christopher W 114 L 12-1
5 5 Rush Now Pimentel J Dutrow Anthony W 114 L 9-2 (** Cross-entered Kent S.)
6 6 Isn't He Perfect Pimentel J Shivmangal D 114 L 20-1
7 7 To Honor and Serve Lezcano J Mott William I 114 L 3-1
8 8 J W Blue Velasquez C Dutrow Anthony W 114 L 8-1 (** Cross-entered Kent S.)
9 9 Rattlesnake Bridge Velazquez J R McLaughlin Kiaran P 119 L 4-1

Second Half Daily Double / Exacta / Trifecta / 10 cent Superfecta

Calzone Lord 09-19-2011 04:39 PM

To Honor And Serve will go off the favorite.

Clip-Clop 09-19-2011 04:58 PM

I hope Rattlesnake Bridge gets lost on the board again.

Indian Charlie 09-19-2011 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 807758)
To Honor And Serve will go off the favorite.

That's quite a limb you went out on.

Dahoss 09-19-2011 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 807760)
I hope Rattlesnake Bridge gets lost on the board again.

Isn't he 3rd choice at worst and pretty likely to be 2nd choice?

I think the jock switch is very interesting on Ruler On Ice and he got a pretty weird ride last time.

Seattleallstar 09-19-2011 11:37 PM

Pender Habour for the upset!

Gate Dancer 09-20-2011 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar (Post 807865)
Pender Habour for the upset!

I find him interesting as well................JW Blue could have taken down Ruler On Ice on Preakness day without the traffic trouble he had. I wonder if he has a race in him?

MaTH716 09-20-2011 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 807764)
Isn't he 3rd choice at worst and pretty likely to be 2nd choice?

I think the jock switch is very interesting on Ruler On Ice and he got a pretty weird ride last time.

What did you think was weird about the ride in the Haskell?


As far as Gomez goes, the only thing that might make it interesting is if he could make it rain on command.

Clip-Clop 09-20-2011 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 807764)
Isn't he 3rd choice at worst and pretty likely to be 2nd choice?

I think the jock switch is very interesting on Ruler On Ice and he got a pretty weird ride last time.

I am looking for THAS to take the lion's share followed by ROI. Looking to get 6-1 or 7-1.

Dahoss 09-20-2011 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 807903)
What did you think was weird about the ride in the Haskell?


As far as Gomez goes, the only thing that might make it interesting is if he could make it rain on command.

I'm talking about the ride he got in the Travers. Although he did rally late down on the dead rail in the Haskell. I thought he was interesting in the Travers thinking he probably needed the Haskell.

In the Travers, Valdivia asks out of the gate which I don't really understand. He was in a decent enough spot down the backstretch and then Valdivia puts in him in a full drive as they hit the 3/4's pole. He looked beaten but he sort of re-rallied late and was only beaten 4 for the whole thing. I'm reaching, but I think he his good race, with a more patient ride can win this.

MaTH716 09-20-2011 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 807909)
I'm talking about the ride he got in the Travers. Although he did rally late down on the dead rail in the Haskell. I thought he was interesting in the Travers thinking he probably needed the Haskell.

In the Travers, Valdivia asks out of the gate which I don't really understand. He was in a decent enough spot down the backstretch and then Valdivia puts in him in a full drive as they hit the 3/4's pole. He looked beaten but he sort of re-rallied late and was only beaten 4 for the whole thing. I'm reaching, but I think he his good race, with a more patient ride can win this.

Wow, I totally forgot that they ran him in the Travers. :o

Valdivia hustled him out in the Belmont too. I'm thinking that maybe if Ruler needed the Haskell, then the connections thought that maybe Shack needed that race too. He is the horse they really feared, so they were going to employ the same type of race/tactics as the Belmont and try to keep close with Shack breaking from the outside.

Granted maybe Valvidia moved him early, but to me it looked like Ruler was starting to go backwards at that point and Valvidia was just trying to keep him in the race. He rallied and didn't miss third by that much. I don't think Valvidia did anything wrong, but obviously
Gomez > Valvidia.

I just think that his Belmont win was a combination of the slop and him being in the perfect position. He just seems like that in between type of horse, not really fast enough to be on the lead and doesn't have enough of a kick to really come from the clouds. He just needs an ideal set up, like he got at Belmont.

Dahoss 09-20-2011 10:03 AM

If the plan was to stay close to Shackelford, I would agree he didn't do much wrong. I can't believe that would have been the best plan to get them into the winners circle, but it's certainly possible it was.

I agree about the Belmont and don't really think too highly of him. I just think others have some question marks and will be interested in him if he drifts up. If he is anywhere near his ML I'll be watching and rooting for Arthur's Tale who I liked going into the Derby before he got hurt.

golfer 09-20-2011 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 807919)
If the plan was to stay close to Shackelford, I would agree he didn't do much wrong. I can't believe that would have been the best plan to get them into the winners circle, but it's certainly possible it was.

I agree about the Belmont and don't really think too highly of him. I just think others have some question marks and will be interested in him if he drifts up. If he is anywhere near his ML I'll be watching and rooting for Arthur's Tale who I liked going into the Derby before he got hurt.

That's it? Something seems to be missing:)

tjfla 09-20-2011 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 807760)
I hope Rattlesnake Bridge gets lost on the board again.

Well since we know he can get the distance he won't. I would have bet him alot harder in the Travers if I knew he could get that


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