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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43857267...d_news-europe/

A right-wing zealot who admitted to bomb and gun attacks in Norway that killed 93 people on Friday claims he acted alone, Norway's police said on Sunday.

"He has admitted to the facts of both the bombing and the shooting, although he's not admitting criminal guilt,'' acting police chief Sveinung Sponheim told a news conference about detained suspect Anders Behring Breivik.

"He says that he was alone but the police must verify everything that he said. Some of the witness statements from the island (shootings) have made us unsure of whether there was one or more shooters.''

so sad, those poor kids...
i do hope that they find he acted alone. but if he didn't, i hope they're able to find everyone who was involved.

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 794423)

Terrorism rears it's ugly head again, hard to believe that it happened there but I guess it proves again that nobody is safe from this insanity. My prayers go out to the victims and their families.

He'll be a "lone wolf"

This justifies sexual assault in airports. Be afraid of everyone, etc. etc.

I feel so sorry for those young people on that island, so long a time with that monster just walking around executing those kids, terrible.

Amazing that this guy flew under the radar, then suddenly shows up with his 1100-page anti-Islam, anti-immigrant, anti-liberal rant, and not only imitates Tim McVeigh but decides to take out those poor young people, just because they were of different political persuasion.

The news stories were saying that no matter the crime in Norway, there is no death penalty, and the maximum incarceration time is 21 years.

They can hold him for life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_im...ment_in_Norway

makes me not want to live in Norway if this guy can be back on the streets in 14 years, possibly.

moral of the story: if you are going to kill a bunch of people, do it in Norway and do it when you are young.

How does one single shooter kill 93 people? ...

Virtually all of them teenagers, no less.

Christian nut-jobs don't miss.

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 794703)

How does one single shooter kill 93 people? ...

Virtually all of them teenagers, no less.

Christian nut-jobs don't miss.

I read that he was shooting them more than once to make sure that they were dead.

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 794703)

How does one single shooter kill 93 people? ...

Virtually all of them teenagers, no less.

Christian nut-jobs don't miss.

I believe the 93 dead includes victims of his bombing as well.

Remember the mainstream media said it was muslims at first. Don't believe the neo-nazi, right wing Christian claim...especially since our government released an alert for white "al-qaeda" days before this happened.

They're getting sloppy.

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 794713)

Don't believe the neo-nazi, right wing Christian claim....

At the very least ... it's obvious he's right-wing.

No left-winger is going to shoot up a camp for indoctrinating teenagers to socialisim.

Glad they denied him his public spewing of his hate. Good news: the number of people killed in his bombing and execution on the island was revised down to 76.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,0,62256.story

Some excerpts:

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Reporting from Oslo—
It was supposed to be a defining moment for Norwegian terror suspect Anders Behring Breivik.

He'd hoped that the first hearing Monday into last week's twin attacks would be televised live by the world's media. He wanted to dress in a uniform to defend his actions as part of a bid to trigger an anti-Islamic revolution in Europe.

But to his disappointment, Breivik was neither seen nor heard in court. A Norwegian judge ruled the proceedings should be held behind closed doors, siding with government prosecutors who are increasingly nervous about giving the suspect a forum to expose his radical views.

Inside the courtroom, Breivik was formally charged with violating Norway's anti-terrorism laws and remanded to solitary confinement for the next four weeks.

During a news briefing after the hearing, Judge Kim Heger said Breivik confessed to the attacks — which police now say killed 76 people, revised down from previous reports of 93 — but pleaded not guilty to the terrorism charges, justifying his actions as part of an anti-Muslim campaign.

He also claimed to be working with two other cells, although previously police said he told them he worked alone.

Norwegian officials said Monday it remains unclear whether Breivik is part of a wider conspiracy or is a lone megalomaniac.

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 794754)

The best thing they can do with this monster is deny him any public access. According to media reports the max is 21 years but they can keep him incarcerated if he's a threat to the public....maybe they will put him in general population;)

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Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 794764)

Somer, I believe it's 21 years per murder, so, assuming he's convicted, he'll likely be incarcerated for the rest of his life.

Glad to hear this terrorist won't get out of jail.

Karma is a bitch.

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In response to Norway attacks, right-wing bloggers suddenly demand nuance
By Adam Serwer

American anti-Islam bloggers aren’t to blame for the Norway Massacre. But their response to the attacks is nonetheless revealing, in that they are now demanding the kind of nuanced analysis of the Norway shootings that they’ve always failed to offer when implicating jihadism or all Muslims for terror attacks.

As the news of terrorist attacks in Oslo broke on Friday, the conservative media were quick to place the blame on al Qaeda even though the details weren’t fully known. Washington Post blogger Jennifer Rubin wrote that the attacks were “a sobering reminder for those who think it’s too expensive to wage a war against jihadists.”

At first, it wasn’t unreasonable to reach that conclusion. Given the way the attacks unfolded — multiple targets being hit within a short time period — it was reasonable to assume that Islamic extremists were responsible, rather than anti-Muslim extremist Anders Behring Breivik.

When the truth became known, Rubin, like many others on the right, tried to downplay the right-wing anti-Muslim ideology driving the alleged shooter. She was suddenly far more generic in how she described Breivik’s motive, referring to it as “undiluted evil.”

What’s notable about the response by conservatives to the attack is that their primary worry was that the anti-Islam cause might be tarnished. Bruce Bawer, writing in the Wall Street Journal, was beside himself that “this murderous madman has become the poster boy for the criticism of Islam.” He then casts Breivik’s concerns, if not his actions, as defensible, describing “the way he moves from a legitimate concern about genuine problems to an unspeakably evil `solution.’”

It would be hard to imagine a conservative showing such empathy for Hamas, concluding that while terrorism is evil, they are nevertheless acting out of legitimate concerns about Palestinian suffering. What’s pathetic is not so much their reasoning, but the knowledge that their arguments would be the same in substance, if more enthusiastic, had Muslim extremists been responsible.

The most telling reaction was from the anti-Muslim bloggers Breivik cited by name in his manifesto.

Pamela Geller, who along with Professional Islamophobe Robert Spencer has been active in opposing the construction of mosques in the U.S., wrote: “This is just a sinister attempt to tar all anti-jihadists with responsibility for this man’s heinous actions.” Spencer, for his part, wrote: “as if killing a lot of children aids the defense against the global jihad and Islamic supremacism, or has anything remotely to do with anything we have ever advocated.”

Most of Geller and Spencer’s blogging consists of attempts to tar all Muslims with the responsibility for terrorism. At CPAC last year, Geller and Spencer drew a large crowd for their documentary referring to the proposed community center near Ground Zero as “the second wave of the 9/11 attacks.” Yet they’re now pleading for the world not to do what they’ve spent their careers doing — assigning collective blame for an act of terror through guilt-by-association. What’s clear is that they understand that the principle of collective responsibility is a monstrous wrong in the abstract, or at least when it’s applied to them. They are now begging for the kind of tolerance and understanding they cheerfully refuse to grant to American Muslims.

These bloggers are not directly responsible for the actions of Anders Behring Breivik. But make no mistake: Their school of analysis, which puts the blame on all Muslims for acts of terrorism perpetrated by Islamic extremists, has been fully discredited — by their own reaction to the Oslo attacks. While it’s obvious that few if any of them will take this lesson to heart, the rest of us should — terrorist acts are committed by individuals, and it is those individuals who should be held responsible.

By Adam Serwer |
Washington Post
11:18 AM ET, 07/25/2011

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 794860)

Karma is a bitch.

Last nite Colbert did a number on the early warning Muslim/Islam attack in Norway...

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-col...esque-atrocity