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Riot 05-11-2011 01:08 PM
Now liberals are trying to bail out of crazy
 
First I've heard of this :D

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Liberals In Southern Arizona Seek To Form New State

TUCSON, Arizona (Reuters) - A long-simmering movement by liberal stalwarts in southern Arizona to break away from the rest of the largely conservative state is at a boiling point as secession backers press to bring their longshot ambition to the forefront of Arizona politics.

A group of lawyers from the Democratic stronghold of Tucson and surrounding Pima County have launched a petition drive seeking support for a November 2012 ballot question on whether the 48th state should be divided in two.

The ultimate goal of the newly formed political action committee Start our State is to split Pima County off into what would become the nation's 51st state, tentatively dubbed Baja Arizona.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_859954.html

GBBob 05-11-2011 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 775955)
First I've heard of this :D
oh pleeeeze. Sounds like something the radical right usually does.

Riot 05-11-2011 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 775962)
oh pleeeeze. Sounds like something the radical right usually does.
Precisely! :D

trackrat59 05-11-2011 02:25 PM
Crazy as it seems now, I would not be shocked to see more of this in the future.

Antitrust32 05-11-2011 03:31 PM
:( saddens me as a tucsonian

Riot 05-11-2011 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 775989)
:( saddens me as a potential Baja Arizonian
FTFY :D

Antitrust32 05-11-2011 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 775994)
FTFY :D
LOL

brianwspencer 05-12-2011 11:58 AM
Most days, I wouldn't even be upset if this country just split into two separate nations.

Antitrust32 05-12-2011 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 776099)
Most days, I wouldn't even be upset if this country just split into two separate nations.
How about in 1/3rds? One small space for libertarians. Maybe Washington State :)

I wouldnt want to live an a country with all righty's or all lefty's!!

brianwspencer 05-12-2011 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 776100)
How about in 1/3rds? One small space for libertarians. Maybe Washington State :)

I wouldnt want to live an a country with all righty's or all lefty's!!
The Libertarian country would fall apart really quickly, I think. I'm always attracted to that set of beliefs, and then get to realizing that I'm pretty sure it's AWESOME in theory, and would be a total disaster in full practice.

And I would love to live in a country with all lefty's -- or pretty much any place where constant arguments about bodily autonomy and equality weren't commonplace, because the right to both was completely understood as so obvious it was painful.

Antitrust32 05-12-2011 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 776101)
The Libertarian country would fall apart really quickly, I think. I'm always attracted to that set of beliefs, and then get to realizing that I'm pretty sure it's AWESOME in theory, and would be a total disaster in full practice.

And I would love to live in a country with all lefty's -- or pretty much any place where constant arguments about bodily autonomy and equality weren't commonplace, because the right to both was completely understood as so obvious it was painful.
when old people die, the right will be better off. its funny because denying equal rights is so against what conservatism stands for. the pandering to religion thing sickens me. it makes sense though why some christians are so angry and hateful... besides Jesus being about love, the rest of the bible features a very hateful and murderous god.

I think a libertarian country would be just fine, depending on the type of people who choose to live there. you get a group of hard workers, elect Ron Paul, and there ya go! besides, you know pot would be legalized there, so how bad could it be? LOL

brianwspencer 05-12-2011 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 776102)
when old people die, the right will be better off. its funny because denying equal rights is so against what conservatism stands for. the pandering to religion thing sickens me. it makes sense though why some christians are so angry and hateful... besides Jesus being about love, the rest of the bible features a very hateful and murderous god.

I think a libertarian country would be just fine, depending on the type of people who choose to live there. you get a group of hard workers, elect Ron Paul, and there ya go! besides, you know pot would be legalized there, so how bad could it be? LOL
I'll put my passport to good use to come visit you :)

hi_im_god 05-12-2011 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 776102)
when old people die, the right will be better off. its funny because denying equal rights is so against what conservatism stands for. the pandering to religion thing sickens me. it makes sense though why some christians are so angry and hateful... besides Jesus being about love, the rest of the bible features a very hateful and murderous god.

I think a libertarian country would be just fine, depending on the type of people who choose to live there. you get a group of hard workers, elect Ron Paul, and there ya go! besides, you know pot would be legalized there, so how bad could it be? LOL
i'd look forward to the heated debate over whether traffic signals were an unconstitutional government intrusion into individual rights.

i can judge whether it's safe to go or not. i don't need the nanny state forcing my hand.

Antitrust32 05-12-2011 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 776103)
I'll put my passport to good use to come visit you :)
and since we're libertarians, anyone who lives (or visits) there is free to use Betfair!

Riot 05-12-2011 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 776105)
and since we're libertarians, anyone who lives (or visits) there is free to use Betfair!
Do all transactions have to be in Midas Dollars? Or will gold do?


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