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my miss storm cat 03-17-2011 03:54 PM

Opening Day at Belmont (1905)
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG8Nq...layer_embedded

joeydb 03-18-2011 06:21 AM

That was cool. I've never seen an old-fashioned start without a gate. And that horse on the outside never heard of "saving ground" apparently.

Too bad that we still don't correct for the different frames-per-second of the old films, because everything looks unnaturally fast. But I guess if we slowed it down things would look choppy since there aren't as many frames as are in modern film and video.

TouchOfGrey 03-19-2011 05:55 AM

Neat find. Thanks for sharing.

herkhorse 03-19-2011 07:17 AM

Isn't that Morty at 1:32?

Pedigree Ann 03-19-2011 07:44 AM

Notice all the dust being kicked up? Horses in the rear nearly obscured by it. Watertrucks not much in evidence in the olden days, when men were men and giants (like Colin, Fair Play, Sysonby, Beldame) walked the earth.

blackthroatedwind 03-19-2011 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann (Post 761703)
Notice all the dust being kicked up? Horses in the rear nearly obscured by it. Watertrucks not much in evidence in the olden days, when men were men and giants (like Colin, Fair Play, Sysonby, Beldame) walked the earth.

I'm assuming you were just a teenager back then?

Coach Pants 03-19-2011 10:19 AM

Albert Einstein walked the earth and pissed liquid gold that the commoners at Belmont were more than willing to bathe in.

Echo Farm 03-19-2011 12:33 PM

These old videos can be seen in better quality at Critical Past. Lots of interesting old racing, sports and other historical clips.
Narrow the search by using quotes around key words such as "kentucky derby"

Here are some from Hialeah:
http://www.criticalpast.com/products...hialeah&page=2

Riot 03-19-2011 03:09 PM

Good video posts, thanks!

my miss storm cat 09-18-2011 07:00 PM

The program...

http://colinsghost.org/2011/09/belmo...gram-1905.html

Linny 09-19-2011 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 761453)
That was cool. I've never seen an old-fashioned start without a gate. And that horse on the outside never heard of "saving ground" apparently.
Too bad that we still don't correct for the different frames-per-second of the old films, because everything looks unnaturally fast. But I guess if we slowed it down things would look choppy since there aren't as many frames as are in modern film and video.

They had a straightaway over 7f so it's possible that was a straight track race.

Coach Pants 09-19-2011 10:06 AM

The upper class also had slaves who would fetch drinks and cool their master off with a fan.

Those were the good ol' days where people knew their place. The nerve of people these days.

GenuineRisk 09-19-2011 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 761453)
Too bad that we still don't correct for the different frames-per-second of the old films, because everything looks unnaturally fast. But I guess if we slowed it down things would look choppy since there aren't as many frames as are in modern film and video.

That may actually have been a choice. Those old films were hand-cranked, and the filmmaker could adjust the speed according to the subject matter being filmed (for example, the Keystone Cops movies were supposed to look that ridiculously fast). I could see a filmmaker wanting to convey the thrill of the races by speeding up the film. Old film would range in frames per second but there was no set standard. Standardization only came about with the addition of sound. Modern 35mm film is 24 per second and video is 30.

Which might also be why they look fast- old films run through modern projectors are automatically sent through at 24 frames per second, which speeds up old films depending on the speed at which the film was originally shot.

They can "slow down" the film today by a process where they repeat some frames, but it's really $$$$ to do. It does look a little jerky, but it's not bad. But again, expensive, so seldom done.

And digital video can be adjusted today to shoot at 24 frames per second, so digital filmmakers can make it look more like film and less like video.

Pardon me while I push my nerd glasses back up my nose.

Linny 09-19-2011 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 807699)
The upper class also had slaves who would fetch drinks and cool their master off with a fan.

Those were the good ol' days where people knew their place. The nerve of people these days.

What does this have to do with 100yo footage from Belmont. I don't think that there were slaves there. This was 30 years after the Civil War and slavery was outlawed in NY well before that. The rich had servants, most of whom made little money but were housed and fed far better as a result of their service than they could have been otherwise. Many household servants ended up up named in the wills of their bosses, including my great grandmother who worked for the Fisher family.

Coach Pants 09-19-2011 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linny (Post 807714)
What does this have to do with 100yo footage from Belmont. I don't think that there were slaves there. This was 30 years after the Civil War and slavery was outlawed in NY well before that. The rich had servants, most of whom made little money but were housed and fed far better as a result of their service than they could have been otherwise. Many household servants ended up up named in the wills of their bosses, including my great grandmother who worked for the Fisher family.

Good grief.

my miss storm cat 09-19-2011 08:58 PM

:eek:

Oh wow I never thought there would be bickering on this of all threads!

Geez. :D :wf

my miss storm cat 05-04-2014 08:22 PM

Lookin' good for 109... happy birthday, Belmont.

(Love this footage so much... what better day to bump it up?) :)


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