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keithting 03-05-2011 09:51 PM

Payoff in a Graded Stake
 
Is today's result in the Santa Anita Hdcp the largest Trifecta and Superfecta payoffs ever in a Graded Stake?

Most likely largest payoffs in a Grade I stake.....

Port Conway Lane 03-05-2011 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by keithting (Post 758553)
Is today's result in the Santa Anita Hdcp the largest Trifecta and Superfecta payoffs ever in a Graded Stake?

Most likely largest payoffs in a Grade I stake.....

2005 Derby is the biggeat I can remember.

keithting 03-05-2011 10:09 PM

Yes, I forgot that Closing Argument was also a huge longshot and went off at 70-1. I never think of him as going off at those long odds......

justindew 03-05-2011 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by keithting (Post 758560)
Yes, I forgot that Closing Argument was also a huge longshot and went off at 70-1. I never think of him as going off at those long odds......

The fact that Closing Argument was 70-1 in 2005 and Balktalk was like 20-1 last year shows how dramatically Derby wagering has changed in recent years.

PatCummings 03-05-2011 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by keithting (Post 758553)
Is today's result in the Santa Anita Hdcp the largest Trifecta and Superfecta payoffs ever in a Graded Stake?

Most likely largest payoffs in a Grade I stake.....

Last year's Derby super paid $101,000 for $1. Today wasn't even close.

PatCummings 03-05-2011 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by justindew (Post 758563)
The fact that Closing Argument was 70-1 in 2005 and Balktalk was like 20-1 last year shows how dramatically Derby wagering has changed in recent years.

Win odds in the Derby are a complete waste of time and effort, they do nothing to show you how a horse is actually valued any more.

Make Music For Me was 30-1 in the win pool this year, second longest shot in the 20-horse field, but was more like 100-1 when you saw his impact on the superfecta, even to finish fourth. Tri paid $1100+ for a buck, super paid $101,000+. All the value is in the exotic pools, which fortunately, the $2 buck chucks never pay any attention to. If he got up for third, it probably would've paid four or five times more on the super, and about 10-15 times in the trifecta.

keithting 03-06-2011 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by PatCummings (Post 758572)
Win odds in the Derby are a complete waste of time and effort, they do nothing to show you how a horse is actually valued any more.

Make Music For Me was 30-1 in the win pool this year, second longest shot in the 20-horse field, but was more like 100-1 when you saw his impact on the superfecta, even to finish fourth. Tri paid $1100+ for a buck, super paid $101,000+. All the value is in the exotic pools, which fortunately, the $2 buck chucks never pay any attention to. If he got up for third, it probably would've paid four or five times more on the super, and about 10-15 times in the trifecta.

Thanks for the perspective.

I look forward to this year's Derby for another big exotics opportunity !!

cal828 03-06-2011 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by keithting (Post 758632)
Thanks for the perspective.

I look forward to this year's Derby for another big exotics opportunity !!

Me too. Even a dime super would have paid 10k.

ranger5830 03-06-2011 10:48 AM

I would think the record for a G1 race other than the derby would have to be the '99 BC Classic when Cat Thief beat Budroyale, Golden Missile and Chester House and led to a $2 tri of $39,000 and a $1 superfecta of over $692,000.


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