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joeydb 02-22-2011 01:17 PM

We need a "No Sail Zone" near Somalia
 
Anything that sails into that region gets sunk by our submarines, and then you'll see the piracy dry up.

It's a disgrace that four Americans who were 300 miles from Somalia got kidnapped and executed.

jms62 02-22-2011 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 755257)
Anything that sails into that region gets sunk by our submarines, and then you'll see the piracy dry up.

It's a disgrace that four Americans who were 300 miles from Somalia got kidnapped and executed.

I hear what you are saying and it is a terrible shame but pragmatically speaking; who is going to pay for this escort service?

joeydb 02-22-2011 01:40 PM

Oh, the companies shipping are already being escorted. Whether or to what extent they are paying I am not sure of. The Russian and Chinese navies are also escorting some of the traffic so there is a multinational task force escorting (some) shipping.

I saw this as a separate seek and destroy effort to actually make the pirates absorb heavy losses for their actions. It is even easier to sink ships in a region than to shoot aircraft out of the sky that is unauthorized in a "No Fly Zone" situation. The pirates would be outgunned and due to our military superiority, I expect almost no casualties on our side.

jms62 02-22-2011 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 755262)
Oh, the companies shipping are already being escorted. Whether or to what extent they are paying I am not sure of. The Russian and Chinese navies are also escorting some of the traffic so there is a multinational task force escorting (some) shipping.

I saw this as a separate seek and destroy effort to actually make the pirates absorb heavy losses for their actions. It is even easier to sink ships in a region than to shoot aircraft out of the sky that is unauthorized in a "No Fly Zone" situation. The pirates would be outgunned and due to our military superiority, I expect almost no casualties on our side.

So you and I would be paying for this extra effort? Do we lose our right to bitch about Obama putting us further into debt by us funding this extra curricular Military activity? Or is the cost a drop in the bucket in the big picture? How many drops until the bucket runneth over?

SOREHOOF 02-22-2011 01:57 PM

Terrible thing that happened, but those are dangerous waters.The U.S. Navy, unfortunately, has more important things to do than escort pleasure boaters who know the risks associated with traveling in that area.

jms62 02-22-2011 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 755267)
Terrible thing that happened, but those are dangerous waters.The U.S. Navy, unfortunately, has more important things to do than escort pleasure boaters who know the risks associated with traveling in that area.

Ding Ding Ding:$::$:

joeydb 02-22-2011 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 755265)
So you and I would be paying for this extra effort? Do we lose our right to bitch about Obama putting us further into debt by us funding this extra curricular Military activity? Or is the cost a drop in the bucket in the big picture? How many drops until the bucket runneth over?

We'll just cut welfare to pay for it.

randallscott35 02-22-2011 02:13 PM

No we need a "Kill Pirates Zone" where we proactively annihilate these mofos.

SOREHOOF 02-22-2011 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 755272)
We'll just cut welfare to pay for it.

Let's just cut welfare anyway!

jms62 02-22-2011 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 755279)
Let's just cut welfare anyway!

What do you think the consequence of cutting welfare to be?

SOREHOOF 02-22-2011 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 755282)
What do you think the consequence of cutting welfare to be?

Some Americans will do the jobs that Liberals are giving them an excuse not to do.

SOREHOOF 02-22-2011 02:41 PM

I didn't say cut it completely, just weed out the scammers. I know some people need help. There are more "Octomom" types than people want to admit.

jms62 02-22-2011 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 755283)
Some Americans will do the jobs that Liberals are giving them an excuse not to do.

How about what probably will happpen, not what we would like to happen. A much higher crime rate.

joeydb 02-22-2011 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 755283)
Some Americans will do the jobs that Liberals are giving them an excuse not to do.

I like the way you think Hoof...good stuff.

joeydb 02-22-2011 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 755287)
How about what probably will happpen, not what we would like to happen. A much higher crime rate.

That's why that Second Amendment is there. Gun up and protect your family and your stuff.

jms62 02-22-2011 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 755292)
That's why that Second Amendment is there. Gun up and protect your family and your stuff.

You going to gun up your kids and your parents too and hope to hell it works out or just guard them 24x7?

SOREHOOF 02-22-2011 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 755287)
How about what probably will happpen, not what we would like to happen. A much higher crime rate.

Are you saying that people on welfare are more prone to engage in criminal activities? That's sure what it sounded like. I've had my income cut off more than once and I didn't turn to a life of crime.

jms62 02-22-2011 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 755303)
Are you saying that people on welfare are more prone to engage in criminal activities? That's sure what it sounded like. I've had my income cut off more than once and I didn't turn to a life of crime.

I'm saying that a good number of people on welfare are at the end of their rope and probably are paycheck to paycheck with no backup. You probably had some backup. Put yourself in a position where you have no money, no backup a family to feed. Pretty desperate no? Now multiply that by the number of people having their welfare taken away according to your master plan. Are you saying NONE of them will resort to criminal activity? If you are you are very very naive. If I were put in that situation I can't say with all honesty that I wouldn't resort to criminal activity.

Honu 02-22-2011 03:37 PM

Cut off all aid. Yeah I know the poor starving people and all that bull shitz, screw em until their corrupt, inept government does something about these azzholes. Enough is enough we should just send them some napalm care packages....... they contribute nothing to the rest of the world.

clyde 02-22-2011 03:49 PM

Honula's are like wasps...they are born nasty.


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