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Kingturf 01-22-2011 09:13 PM

Are they not learning? (Jockey's)
 
Does anyone have a good explanation to this statement?

Since Bailey, Day and Stevens retired, it seem that even the top jockey's in the country had lost the skills in having a good clock in their head while riding. Today I saw several jockey's lose races from either moving too soon or moving too late. This is becoming the norm. Rajiv Maragh had a lone speed horse on the yielding turf at Gulfstream...instead of walking to a crawl on a boggy turf course. He decided to burn through fast fractions. Cornelio Velasquez who rode who I thought was the winner in the Tobbogan rode himself out of a win by riding directly into a small pack of horses on the rail when his horse was closing in deep stretch.

Everyday I am watching horses getting questionable rides at the bigger tracks and it seems to me, most of these horses has the talent to win the races....but the riders are helping them to lose instead of helping the horses to win.

my miss storm cat 01-22-2011 09:30 PM

Here.

http://nara.kctcs.edu/

Go for it and lets see how well you do making split second decisions at how many miles per hour (?) performing the only job I can think of where an ambulance follows you all day.

Some of them suck, most of them try really hard. They're there to win.

I don't have the answer...

I just wanted to add a little fairness here.

blackthroatedwind 01-22-2011 09:33 PM

Rajiv rode a hopeless 15:1 speed horse that ran off on him and Cornelio Velasquez was in a bad position behind a horse that has a well earned reputation for lugging out very badly and was actually lugging out badly. Unfortunately for him, when he commited to moving inside, Fastus Cactus stopped drifting, and he got screwed. It happens. These are split second decisions that happen every day and sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. Victim of circumstance.

Believe it or not, riders rode poorly when the riders you named were around....including Pat Day who blew many a big race.

Kingturf 01-22-2011 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 745344)
Here.

http://nara.kctcs.edu/

Go for it and lets see how well you do making split second decisions at how many miles per hour (?) performing the only job I can think of where an ambulance follows you all day.

Some of them suck, most of them try really hard. They're there to win.

I don't have the answer...

I just wanted to add a little fairness here.


What the $@*% that got to do with my question? I fought in Iraq and had to make quick decisions and wished I had an ambulance around.

Coach Pants 01-22-2011 10:25 PM

I'll kill you in Goldeneye, son.

Kingturf 01-22-2011 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rare Bog (Post 745363)
What the $@*% that got to do with duck hunt?


hahahahaha :)

geeker2 01-22-2011 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 745344)
Here.

http://nara.kctcs.edu/

Go for it and lets see how well you do making split second decisions at how many miles per hour (?) performing the only job I can think of where an ambulance follows you all day.

Some of them suck, most of them try really hard. They're there to win.

I don't have the answer...

I just wanted to add a little fairness here.

Sighty in a fox hunt & Franny defending her position at the bar at FG - Now that's hard core stuff :p:{>:

God I love those two !!!!

my miss storm cat 01-22-2011 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by geeker2 (Post 745368)
Sighty in a fox hunt & Franny defending her position at the bar at FG - Now that's hard core stuff :p:{>:

God I love those two !!!!

Geekie is there a way to distinguish between a SSCJ :eek: :D thread and a regular DT thread?

geeker2 01-22-2011 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 745370)
Geekie is there a way to distinguish between a SSCJ :eek: :D thread and a regular DT thread?

:eek: I forgot - I love MMSC too !!!! :{>:

my miss storm cat 01-22-2011 11:01 PM

Love you too. :D

It's not Halloween in international so I'll be there.

dagolfer33 01-24-2011 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rare Bog (Post 745367)
Did you ride in any races over there?

If so, I would like Ahmed Ajtebi's autograph next time you hang out together.

He is the guy to find a way to bet on during this Dubai Carnival thing. I would like his autograph as well. Find out when the next camel race meet starts up over there as well.

MISTERGEE 01-25-2011 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingturf (Post 745362)
What the $@*% that got to do with my question? I fought in Iraq and had to make quick decisions and wished I had an ambulance around.

:tro::tro::tro::tro:

MISTERGEE 01-25-2011 09:28 AM

back to the question, I usually give the jocks the benefit of the doubt based on reasons already given. In the case of Cornelios ride though I must agree. He seemingly was already on the outside and was in the stretch. If he just stayed there or at that point even went a bit wider it would of made alot more sense than diving down behind the the small wall of horses . Cornelio doesnt seem to be progressing as many thought he would

richard 01-25-2011 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingturf (Post 745362)
What the $@*% that got to do with my question? I fought in Iraq and had to make quick decisions and wished I had an ambulance around.

Thanks for your service . How's the jockeys in that dry town of Baghdad ?

alysheba4 01-25-2011 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 745347)
Rajiv rode a hopeless 15:1 speed horse that ran off on him and Cornelio Velasquez was in a bad position behind a horse that has a well earned reputation for lugging out very badly and was actually lugging out badly. Unfortunately for him, when he commited to moving inside, Fastus Cactus stopped drifting, and he got screwed. It happens. These are split second decisions that happen every day and sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. Victim of circumstance.

Believe it or not, riders rode poorly when the riders you named were around....including Pat Day who blew many a big race.

....:$:

Revidere 01-26-2011 09:24 AM

Anyone who truly believes riders have clocks in their head, has rocks in their own.

-Steve Crist


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