Rupert or other West Coasters
 

anyone know where he is going next?

Horse name Point Determined
Notes
Activity type Workout
Activity date 08-27-2006
Track Del Mar
Surface Dirt
Distance 5 Furlongs
Workout type Handily
Workout time 0:58.40
Track condition Fast

or this one?

Horse name Bob and John
Notes
Activity type Workout
Activity date 08-26-2006
Track Del Mar
Surface Dirt
Distance 5 Furlongs
Workout type Handily
Workout time 0:59.60
Track condition Fast

I think they are considering the El Cajon at Del Mar. I'm not a big fan of Point Determined. He is a notch below the good 3 year olds. His bet chance is to ship around and avoid the good 3 year olds. I think Baffert knows this. The horse has been working regularly but Baffert did not run him in the Travers or the Haskell.

Who knows and who cares. You should be asking about a good horse like Brother Derek. Bob and John and Point Determined are a notch below.

Did they ever try Point Determined on the turf? I wonder how he would do.

ummmm....I care.

Bob and John, I could care less about....but I am a PD fan...hence...thats why I asked.

Im not a fan of DB...hes a very good horse, but I am more a fan of PD.

with all those works on the grass I was hoping he was pointed here, I know Hendricks even said he was keeping an eye on who filled this race.
Sept. 3rd
Del Mar Derby (gr. II), $400,000g, 3yo, 9f (turf).

Who? Brother Derek or Bob and John?

Hendricks trains BD, but wasn't that workout for Bob and John? LMAO :p

I don't think PD would run well on the turf. He just kind of runs evenly. You need to have a good burst of speed in you to compete on the turf. It's fine to come-from-behind on the turf, but you need to be able to run your final 1/8th fast. PD just isn't that kind of horse.

PD is a plodder. I don't know what you like about him. Most of the horses you like such as Surf Cat and EC are good horses. PD is a bum.

fair enough, it's jumbled and some of it was from a side conversation with Kevin, B&J has been working on the turf, it's 3 and up....I was just saying that Hendricks was considering it, and possibly Baffert may be too.

From ESPN 8-3-06

Brother Derek's most likely race at Del Mar is the $100,000 El Cajon Stakes at a mile on Sept. 2, but Hendricks has not ruled out the $400,000 Del Mar Derby at 1 1/8 miles on turf on Sept. 3. Brother Derek has never run on turf.

"There is the slightest chance we might run in the Del Mar Derby," Hendricks said. "I might work him on the turf next week. Timing-wise, it comes up well. It is a Grade 2 worth $400,000. He's ahead of schedule."

The Del Mar Derby is not for 3 year olds and up. It is for 3 year olds. That's why it is a "Derby". Any time a race is called a "derby", that means it is restricted to 3 year olds.

yeah considering it's on the conditions I pasted....it's Monday and I do have a job, I'm not a moron....well most of the time

Richi, while I appreciate you honest opinion, I find it hard to believe that I am alone in being a fan of a certain horses that are "a notch below." While it is all subjective...I venture to guess that you are fan of a few horses that many people may feel are "a notch below"

I have 50+ horses in my DRF stable that I like to keep an eye on. That to me is part of the excitement in racing. Watching a 2YO run that not many people got a chance to see, and following him/her before the larger general public may hear of the horse. Me in particular, I enjoy watching turf races and scouting for first timers that I think may do well, or one that does well and surprises me. Im sure you, as others have many horse that you may follow. But, just because that horse does not meet your standards, no need to think that others don't enjoy watching them run.

I'm sorry. I misunderstood your post. I thought you said, "it's 3 and up". I thought that meant it was for 3 year olds and up.

Oh I did slip up, but it wasn't intentional, no worries....lol

El Cajon had 13 nominations:

BOB AND JOHN dk b/.c.3 Stonerside Stable Bob Baffert
BROTHER DEREK b.c.3 Cecil N. Pea**** Dan L. Hendricks
CINDAGO b.c.3 C R K Stable John W. Sadler
DA STOOPS dk b/.c.3 Watson and Weitman Performances LLC Bob Baffert
FOX THE HOUND ch.c.3 Higman, Daniel and Jerome Dan L. Hendricks
GET FUNKY dk b/.c.3 Keith Abrahams John W. Sadler
MOB RULE b.g.3 Cecil N. Pea**** Dan L. Hendricks
MR. KATZ dk b/.g.3 Murray Ozer Richard P. Matlow
NONSENSICAL ch.c.3 J. Paul Reddam Craig Dollase
PADDY MURPHY dk b/.c.3 Super Horse, Inc. Patrick Gallagher
POINT DETERMINED b.c.3 Lewis, Robert B. and Beverly J. Bob Baffert
SEVEN NATION ARMY b.g.3 David J. Lanzman Racing Stable, Inc. and Wood, Jason Jeff Mullins
SINISTER MINISTER b.c.3 Lanni Family Trust, Mercedes Stable, LLC and Schiappa, Bernard C. Bob Baffert

Pretty sure Sin. Minister is running here so I'm not too sure about Baffert's other three..

How dare I try and post Peac_ock :D

How about that, here are the Del Mar Derby noms:

HORSE Owner Trainer

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ACT OF GOD (12) b.c.3 Clarke, H. A., Lambert, Dr. D., Seitz, F. J. and Stjernfeldt, U. Fred Seitz
BOB AND JOHN (4) dk b/.c.3 Stonerside Stable Bob Baffert
BROTHER DEREK (3) b.c.3 Cecil N. Pea**** Dan L. Hendricks
DARK ISLANDER (IRE) (16) br.c.3 Donald M. Kerr John W. Hills
FOLK TUNE (IRE) (18) b.c.3 Rob Nataf Jean-Claude Rouget
GENRE (GB) (7) b.c.3 Mueller, David and Paula Ben D. A. Cecil
GET FUNKY (9) dk b/.c.3 Keith Abrahams John W. Sadler
ICY RIDGE (IRE) (14) b.g.3 G Five Stable LLC Michael Puhich
LIGHTNING HIT (IRE) (1) b.c.3 Tom Lenner Ronald L. McAnally
NONSENSICAL (17) ch.c.3 J. Paul Reddam Craig Dollase
OBRIGADO (FR) (2) b.g.3 Seidler, Gary and Vegso, Peter Neil D. Drysdale
POINT DETERMINED (5) b.c.3 Lewis, Robert B. and Beverly J. Bob Baffert
PORTO SANTO (FR) (8) b.c.3 Lanni Family Trust and Schiappa, Bernard C. Julio C. Canani
PRESIDENTIAL CAUSE (13) b.c.3 Malibu Farm LLC Richard E. Mandella
RATEAU (15) ch.c.3 Moss, Mr. and Mrs. Jerome S. Richard E. Mandella
TWO TRAILS (10) dk b/.g.3 Annuzzi, Mel and Knight, Terry Terry Knight
UNION AVENUE (6) b.c.3 WinStar Farm LLC William I. Mott
UNRIVALED SONG (11) b.g.3 Seidler, Gary and Vegso, Peter Neil D. Drysdale