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randallscott35 09-08-2010 11:00 AM

Saratoga Backstretch Article
 
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/..._saratoga.html

randallscott35 09-08-2010 11:04 AM

How does this compare for the backstretch workers at other tracks?

parsixfarms 09-08-2010 11:04 AM

Imagine that. An anti-horse racing piece from The Daily News.

randallscott35 09-08-2010 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms (Post 693544)
Imagine that. An anti-horse racing piece from The Daily News.

Not really the point. If it's a problem, it's a problem.

parsixfarms 09-08-2010 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 693545)
Not really the point. If it's a problem, it's a problem.

I agree that conditions should be improved, but recongize that there's an agenda behind the piece and it has nothing to do with improved backstretch conditions.

Coach Pants 09-08-2010 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms (Post 693548)
I agree that conditions should be improved, but recongize that there's an agenda behind the piece and it has nothing to do with improved backstretch conditions.

Oh so there isn't a money-saving agenda from the other side?

So since there is an agenda should they just ignore it?

RockHardTen1985 09-08-2010 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 693554)
Oh so there isn't a money-saving agenda from the other side?

So since there is an agenda should they just ignore it?

Lets not make this a black white thing.

parsixfarms 09-08-2010 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 693554)
Oh so there isn't a money-saving agenda from the other side?

So since there is an agenda should they just ignore it?

Apparently, you missed the part where I agreed that backstretch conditions should be improved.

In this case, the message, however, is obscured by the messenger.

Coach Pants 09-08-2010 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms (Post 693576)
Apparently, you missed the part where I agreed that backstretch conditions should be improved.

In this case, the message, however, is obscured by the messenger.

1. expose agenda
2. worry about conditions

You're a saint!

clyde 09-08-2010 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 693584)
There is an agenda behind virtually everything we see, read and hear. Whether intentional or not.

Does not mean we should bury our head in the sand and ignore possible attempts at manipulation but also dont think just saying someone has an agenda is reason alone to discount something.

Someone can have an agenda and be 100% truthful and accurate.

PopFly is an agenda thief...can't be trusted.

Coach Pants 09-08-2010 12:01 PM

"Newspapers have agendas. They want bad news"

OMG!!

Well lets just disregard that article because those god-damned liberal newspapers have an agenda. We've got to keep the facade up that we're the greatest race track on earth and when you come here the fountain in the infield will make you at least two years younger.

Clip-Clop 09-08-2010 02:05 PM

OMG! Poor people have bad living conditions! This is shocking, thank you NY's Hometown Paper. Where would we be without these hard hitting articles. Please.

randallscott35 09-08-2010 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 693663)
OMG! Poor people have bad living conditions! This is shocking, thank you NY's Hometown Paper. Where would we be without these hard hitting articles. Please.

Yes, backstretch workers deserve cages don't they. This is a horse racing board. This has nothing to do about being poor.

Clip-Clop 09-08-2010 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 693669)
Yes, backstretch workers deserve cages don't they. This is a horse racing board. This has nothing to do about being poor.

Not at all where I was going, of course they don't. No more than anyone else does. That said, my comments were more about the revelation this article provides (none). This might not be common knowledge to anyone outside the sport but by the same token; landscapers in NJ, fruit pickers in CA and restaurant workers in Manhattan share very similar conditions. Hopefully this will not always be the case.

Clip-Clop 09-08-2010 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 693678)
So what do you think are best way to address such situations?

Publicizing these types of issues has done very little for inner city projects throughout the years. This is a similar type of circumstance, no? These are, in effect, public housing, which I am not sure if you have lived there but they are not well known for upkeep.

Clip-Clop 09-08-2010 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 693691)
The difference here is you have people in public housing without jobs or working at different places. Here the people all work and on location.

Also, not like there is rampant crime or anything going on.

Just seems like with all the money that bettors put into the game that some of it could find its way to improving conditions.

This is why it makes sense to do something about it. These are hard working good people.
I do agree, the issue is that history has shown that it is unlikely to happen as long as the state gov't is in charge. Not well known for sharing with the less fortunate under any circumstances, despite news coverage. I have never worked a backstretch, but did know a guy at MTH who said it was "OK", didn't get much into details honestly but he had no specific complaints.


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