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Indian Charlie 06-28-2010 11:06 PM

Dumdolphin up to their old tricks again
 
Just read they are aiming Desert Party for all one turn races the rest of the year, with the Forego the next big target, followed by the BC dirt mile.

Do they seriously believe this horse is a sprinter?????????

Regal Ransom makes his comeback in the Suburban.

They are hard to figure out sometimes.

blackthroatedwind 06-28-2010 11:14 PM

I was reading that article and I wonder if they even realize that the Vanderbilt is now a Grade 1.

PatCummings 06-29-2010 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 662764)
Just read they are aiming Desert Party for all one turn races the rest of the year, with the Forego the next big target, followed by the BC dirt mile.

Do they seriously believe this horse is a sprinter?????????

They are hard to figure out sometimes.

Godolphin can't win, ever, really...right...

Because if they came out tomorrow and said Desert Party will be aimed for the classic races, over 9 and 10 furlongs, people would be on here saying that they are crazy, his two wins in 2010 were over six and seven furlongs, and he did both of them easy, he seems to enjoy sprinting...etc...

Come on.

PatCummings 06-29-2010 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 662801)
Werent they supposed to have two or three Derby wins by now?

They have won the Italian Derby twice and the English Derby once...yeah, I know...

Coach Pants 06-29-2010 09:00 AM

I hope they hire you.

scat daddy 06-29-2010 09:07 AM

Godolphin did win 4 grade 1 races at the Spa last year if memory serve correct so they must do some things right...right?

Scat

blackthroatedwind 06-29-2010 09:10 AM

Godolphin has plenty of terrific horses and I love seeing them run. However, none of that makes them exempt from critical analysis.

They have spent a crazy amount of money for horses. I should hope they win some big races. However, their return on investment isn't exactly something to be proud of. Perhaps this doesn't matter to them. But, that doesn't change the bottom line.

NTamm1215 06-29-2010 09:10 AM

Desert Party's PPs would hardly give you an indication that he's a router.

NT

PatCummings 06-29-2010 09:15 AM

But analyzing their decision to keep Desert Party sprinting, based on what he has done in 2010...it certainly seems the most logical. He might not be a G1 sprinter, but he surely has a better chance for success on that stage then stretching out, as NTamm said, on his PP.

blackthroatedwind 06-29-2010 09:20 AM

Seems logical to me to find a horse's strengths.

Next maybe Godolphin can run less dirt horses on synth. It's pretty weird that they spend as much money as they do for dirt horses and then build a new $10 billion dollar track and put in two turf courses.

RockHardTen1985 06-29-2010 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by PatCummings (Post 662839)
But analyzing their decision to keep Desert Party sprinting, based on what he has done in 2010...it certainly seems the most logical. He might not be a G1 sprinter, but he surely has a better chance for success on that stage then stretching out, as NTamm said, on his PP.

I think as bad as the sprinters are right now, and off of DP's last he is likely going to be a G1 sprinter very soon.

Indian Charlie 06-29-2010 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 662837)
Desert Party's PPs would hardly give you an indication that he's a router.

NT

He runs like at least like a miler. He's bred to go long, and watching him run, it seems like he's going to be a better horse going longer. By longer 8.5 to 9 furlongs being logical.

There's always the chance he has some sort of issue unknown to me, but I'm pretty confident he would stand a better chance of winning races if he doesn't have to face crack sprinters.

Indian Charlie 06-29-2010 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 662849)
I think as bad as the sprinters are right now, and off of DP's last he is likely going to be a G1 sprinter very soon.

See you guys, I'm right!

Coach Pants 06-29-2010 09:46 AM

:tro:

NTamm1215 06-29-2010 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 662853)
He runs like at least like a miler. He's bred to go long, and watching him run, it seems like he's going to be a better horse going longer. By longer 8.5 to 9 furlongs being logical.

There's always the chance he has some sort of issue unknown to me, but I'm pretty confident he would stand a better chance of winning races if he doesn't have to face crack sprinters.

The thing is who are the crack sprinters? There aren't any. The list of horses they really have to fear in a race like the Forego is short because no one knows if Majesticperfection can get 7fs (it seems like a possibility) and Atta Boy Roy is not the same horse going a furlong farther.

If I had a one-run horse like DP and had a choice between trying to force him into going long (which by the way he's 1-4 @ a mile or more) or cutting him back I'd opt for the latter, especially this year given what's out there.

NT

blackthroatedwind 06-29-2010 09:57 AM

They are also separating their horses into divisions, and obviously they feel horses like Regal Ransom and Girolamo are better suited for the longer races than Desert Party. Since they want to win Grade 1s, Desert Party's best chance to do this is, in their opinion, in sprints...especially relative to their other runners.

hoovesupsideyourhead 06-29-2010 10:03 AM

where is songster? lol

RockHardTen1985 06-29-2010 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 662858)
The thing is who are the crack sprinters? There aren't any. The list of horses they really have to fear in a race like the Forego is short because no one knows if Majesticperfection can get 7fs (it seems like a possibility) and Atta Boy Roy is not the same horse going a furlong farther.

If I had a one-run horse like DP and had a choice between trying to force him into going long (which by the way he's 1-4 @ a mile or more) or cutting him back I'd opt for the latter, especially this year given what's out there.

NT

I only know of one crack sprinter and how can we trust him off allowance wins and a giant 117 at PM?

miraja2 06-29-2010 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 662764)
Just read they are aiming Desert Party for all one turn races the rest of the year, with the Forego the next big target, followed by the BC dirt mile.

To me that seems like a perfectly logical race in which to point the horse.


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