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hockey2315 05-23-2010 12:45 AM

Afleet Express a 115 'raw' Beyer; Final fig a 107..
 
Umm whoa.

Good to see him leave the gate this time.

Thunder Gulch 05-23-2010 08:32 AM

I didn't see the race so my first thought was "check the timer". Looking at the charts and considering the show horse was 13 back, I guess the time is right. The other dirt sprints look average, so now my thoughts are "where did that come from? " and "check Jimmy's chemist".

slotdirt 05-23-2010 08:33 AM

Afleet Alex is turning out pretty OK as a sire, so it would appear.

philcski 05-23-2010 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 650369)
Umm whoa.

Good to see him leave the gate this time.

Pretty cut and dry number, too. For once they didn't have to chop up the card.

Indian Charlie 05-23-2010 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 650409)
Afleet Alex is turning out pretty OK as a sire, so it would appear.

Who's he had besides Dublin and AE?

I'm not being sarcastic.

NTamm1215 05-23-2010 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 650433)
Who's he had besides Dublin and AE?

I'm not being sarcastic.

Stakes winners Harissa, Go Ask Alex, and Afleet Again. None of them are superstars but that's a pretty good start for a first crop.

NT

Patrick333 05-23-2010 10:49 AM

No doubt about it, he looked good. Hopefully he can continue to progress.

slotdirt 05-24-2010 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 650431)
Pretty cut and dry number, too. For once they didn't have to chop up the card.

Not so fast, my friend.

philcski 05-24-2010 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 650851)
Not so fast, my friend.

LOL.

And again, they prove why it's no longer worth taking the Beyers printed at face value. I wish they would just put the right number in there and let the bettors decide whether it's legit (and repeatable.)

Thunder Gulch 05-25-2010 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 650867)
LOL.

And again, they prove why it's no longer worth taking the Beyers printed at face value. I wish they would just put the right number in there and let the bettors decide whether it's legit (and repeatable.)

I hear you phil. They think they are doing everyone a favor by injecting so much subjectivity, but they are making it impossible to interpret the figures. When you had a cut and dried method taking the final time and adjusting for a variant, you left room for creativity in handicapping. Now they want to adjust for so many different factors, somebody using figures with trip handicapping adjustments is totally lost. Just stick to the beaten lengths scale and let me do the work.

blackthroatedwind 05-25-2010 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 650867)
LOL.

And again, they prove why it's no longer worth taking the Beyers printed at face value. I wish they would just put the right number in there and let the bettors decide whether it's legit (and repeatable.)

The 115 was not exactly a " printed " figure and you should realize that. The raw numbers have only recently become widely available because of Formulator Web.

Would you prefer it goes back to taking as much as weeks for the figures to be widely available?

philcski 05-25-2010 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 650910)
The 115 was not exactly a " printed " figure and you should realize that. The raw numbers have only recently become widely available because of Formulator Web.

Would you prefer it goes back to taking as much as weeks for the figures to be widely available?

No- I want them to go back to not splitting the variant 4 times because it didn't "fit". They cut that race out because they didn't want it to be "too fast". That wasn't the raw number anyways, it was the original "printed" (using the variant they applied on the other races of -4 or -5.)

The card was about as cut and dry as it possibly could be. There were 5 dirt races, all sprints. As follows:
Race, Raw figure, Assigned figure
1, 88, 83
2, 79, 73
3, 120, *
5, 58, 54
7, 83, 78

On top of that- the figures all fit well within expectation in the other 4 races.


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