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Rupert Pupkin 05-22-2010 07:25 PM

Monmouth Handle Doubles!
 
They did incredible business today at Monmouth when comparing the numbers to opening day last year. Last year the total handle on opening day was $4.28 million. Today the total handle was $9.36 million. The on-track attendance last year was 10,292. This year it was 17,903.
That is good news. Let's hope it continues.

http://drf.com/news/article/113202.html

Cannon Shell 05-22-2010 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 650243)
They did incredible business today at Monmouth when comparing the numbers to opening day last year. Last year the total handle on opening day was $4.28 million. Today the total handle was $9.36 million. The on-track attendance last year was 10,292. This year it was 17,903.
That is good news. Let's hope it continues.

http://drf.com/news/article/113202.html

All without one cent from NYCOTB makes it even more promising news

ateamstupid 05-22-2010 07:50 PM

Good news indeed. Any word on Gomez and Marquez? Not sure I've ever seen four jocks tossed in one day.

Rupert Pupkin 05-22-2010 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 650251)
Good news indeed. Any word on Gomez and Marquez? Not sure I've ever seen four jocks tossed in one day.

Gomez is ok. He should be back tomorrow. I haven't heard anything about the other guys.

That was crazy. Every time I looked up it seemed that a jock was going down, whether it was in the post parade, at the break, or during the race.

Cannon Shell 05-22-2010 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 650251)
Good news indeed. Any word on Gomez and Marquez? Not sure I've ever seen four jocks tossed in one day.

All the politicians spooked the horses.

ateamstupid 05-22-2010 08:15 PM


Cannon Shell 05-22-2010 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 650264)
lol sorry if not drinking the kool aid automatically and following the herd. We all know the herd is always right. Whether it be investing, housing prices or betting the favorite at the track.

Just think people need to think about these things and take critical eye. And not let media push something down their throats and not question

Feel comfortable in saying most want to see this work

What "media" is pushing this down anyones throat? What is the debate from the racing fans point of view? What agenda is the "media" pushing? What are you talking about?

dalakhani 05-22-2010 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 650264)
lol sorry if not drinking the kool aid automatically and following the herd. We all know the herd is always right. Whether it be investing, housing prices or betting the favorite at the track.

Just think people need to think about these things and take critical eye. And not let media push something down their throats and not question

Feel comfortable in saying most want to see this work

Wouldn't you expect on track handle to be higher at belmont for a weekend like this than at monmouth regardless of purse size or attendance? Demographics are what they are. Its not like gamblers with money decided to drive down to the shore to catch the...elkhorn?

If it is a saturday at the end of June and nothing has changed, I understand your point. If it is a saturday where there is a graded feature, I understand your point. But a saturday in the middle of may before beach season?

Come on. A little tough arent we?

philcski 05-22-2010 08:28 PM

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/nat.../monmouth.aspx

... but 20-25% is next to impossible ;)

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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 650273)
Wouldn't you expect on track handle to be higher at belmont for a weekend like this than at monmouth regardless of purse size or attendance? Demographics are what they are. Its not like gamblers with money decided to drive down to the shore to catch the...elkhorn?

If it is a saturday at the end of June and nothing has changed, I understand your point. If it is a saturday where there is a graded feature, I understand your point. But a saturday in the middle of may before beach season?

Come on. A little tough arent we?

C'mon Fupeg, your logic is too logical! :p

ateamstupid 05-22-2010 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 650273)
Wouldn't you expect on track handle to be higher at belmont for a weekend like this than at monmouth regardless of purse size or attendance? Demographics are what they are. Its not like gamblers with money decided to drive down to the shore to catch the...elkhorn?

If it is a saturday at the end of June and nothing has changed, I understand your point. If it is a saturday where there is a graded feature, I understand your point. But a saturday in the middle of may before beach season?

Come on. A little tough arent we?

I doubt Kulina and Robinson are crying in their ice cream right now about ontrack handle, regardless of what Chuck D up there says.

pointman 05-22-2010 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 650273)
Wouldn't you expect on track handle to be higher at belmont for a weekend like this than at monmouth regardless of purse size or attendance? Demographics are what they are. Its not like gamblers with money decided to drive down to the shore to catch the...elkhorn?

If it is a saturday at the end of June and nothing has changed, I understand your point. If it is a saturday where there is a graded feature, I understand your point. But a saturday in the middle of may before beach season?

Come on. A little tough arent we?

They may even get Snooki. Or even better, The Situation!

Cannon Shell 05-22-2010 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 650272)
http://www.drf.com/news/article/113202.html

And I see fans already following it without questioning

There has been ton of discussion about this in recent weeks and not much context in regard to handle

Not trying to be a downer here

Just trying to bring some reason to the table

I want this to work

But lets not go overboard with what happened today

What is there to question? If you like the cards, big fields, etc you play Monmouth. If you dont want to follow the racing there you stick with what you already play. I'm not sure how a track doubling its handle on opening day is a negative. While there is a long ways to go i dont see anyone suggesting that it was anything but a great start. And that is without NYC OTB doing a dime of business.

freddymo 05-22-2010 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 650281)
They may even get Snooki. Or even better, The Situation!

I would love to .... Snookie

freddymo 05-22-2010 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 650283)
What is there to question? If you like the cards, big fields, etc you play Monmouth. If you dont want to follow the racing there you stick with what you already play. I'm not sure how a track doubling its handle on opening day is a negative. While there is a long ways to go i dont see anyone suggesting that it was anything but a great start. And that is without NYC OTB doing a dime of business.

Look less racing is the answer period. The track today had people had a buzz and had horses.. Why anyone would bet Golden Gate or Hollywood or CD is beyond me. CLOSE THESE TRACK

Cannon Shell 05-22-2010 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 650277)
I have gone to both tracks probably 100 times each in my life

I know them both well

All i am saying is three times as many people went to Monmouth and they barely beat Belmont handle

And thats not unusual. Monmouth regularly outdraws Belmont on the weekends in regard to on track attendance

Monmouth is going to need people betting to make this work. Going to the track is not enough they need people betting

Monmouth has always been able to get people to go to the track. Its a beautiful track with a real hard core crowd.

This is about their survival

Can already see from the responses here that it strikes a nerve with people. Not sure why

Not insulting anyone, not belittling Monmouth or what they are doing.

I want this to work.

If it doesnt there is no more Monmouth

They doubled their handle. Doubled. Someone was betting.

Rupert Pupkin 05-22-2010 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 650272)
http://www.drf.com/news/article/113202.html

And I see fans already following it without questioning

There has been ton of discussion about this in recent weeks and not much context in regard to handle

Not trying to be a downer here

Just trying to bring some reason to the table

I want this to work

But lets not go overboard with what happened today

There is nothing to debate. The numbers today were great. Everything was way up. Attendance was way up. On-track handle was way up. Total handle was up by 2x. There is nothing negative to say about the day they had today. All the numbers surpassed everyone's highest expectations.

They never had the expectation that on-track handle today would surpass Belmont's on-track handle. Whoever said that they expected on-track handle at Monmouth to surpass Belmont today? I never heard anyone predict that.


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