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Rupert Pupkin 05-14-2010 06:14 AM

Feds Tell Court They Can Decide What You Eat
 
There is a case going on right now where attorneys for the federal government have argued that citizens have no "fundamental right" to obtain what food they choose. I don't make this stuff up. Here is the quote from the US Attorney representing the government: "There is no 'deeply rooted' historical tradition of unfettered access to foods of all kinds."

They go on to say, "Plaintiffs' assertion of a 'fundamental right to their own bodily and physical health, which includes what foods they do and do not choose to consume for themselves and their families' is similarly unavailing because plaintiffs do not have a fundamental right to obtain any food they wish."

These words speak for themselves. There is no way to spin this.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=153133

GBBob 05-14-2010 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 647304)
There is a case going on right now where attorneys for the federal government have argued that citizens have no "fundamental right" to obtain what food they choose. I don't make this stuff up. Here is the quote from the US Attorney representing the government: "There is no 'deeply rooted' historical tradition of unfettered access to foods of all kinds."

They go on to say, "Plaintiffs' assertion of a 'fundamental right to their own bodily and physical health, which includes what foods they do and do not choose to consume for themselves and their families' is similarly unavailing because plaintiffs do not have a fundamental right to obtain any food they wish."

These words speak for themselves. There is no way to spin this.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=153133


So you think the public should have unfettered access to any "food"..and this can be a very broad category...that anyone wants to sell to them? I don't.

Danzig 05-14-2010 07:18 AM

the spin is already on, by the 'natural news' or whatever they call themselves. a suit over milk. another example of the litigious society we live in.


as for obtaining any food we wish-absinthe, anyone?

Antitrust32 05-14-2010 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 647316)
the spin is already on, by the 'natural news' or whatever they call themselves. a suit over milk. another example of the litigious society we live in.


as for obtaining any food we wish-absinthe, anyone?

I'm down.

dellinger63 05-14-2010 08:23 AM

It's already been done locally. The Chicago city council outlawed foie gras last year.

GBBob 05-14-2010 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 647328)
It's already been done locally. The Chicago city council outlawed foie gras last year.

That, I disagreed with..but in general, I think the FDA does need to have some regulatory power

joeydb 05-14-2010 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 647328)
It's already been done locally. The Chicago city council outlawed foie gras last year.

But smoking is still OK in all 50 states. Go figure.

timmgirvan 05-14-2010 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 647316)
the spin is already on, by the 'natural news' or whatever they call themselves. a suit over milk. another example of the litigious society we live in.


as for obtaining any food we wish-absinthe, anyone?

just an ounce,please!

GBBob 05-14-2010 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 647390)
But smoking is still OK in all 50 states. Go figure.

Better lobbyists than the geese have;)

Sightseek 05-14-2010 12:53 PM

Is fois gras duck or goose, I tried it, but can't remember?

Antitrust32 05-14-2010 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 647441)
Is fois gras duck or goose, I tried it, but can't remember?

think its duck fatty liver... there's an article on CNN about it today..

GBBob 05-14-2010 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 647443)
think its duck fatty liver... there's an article on CNN about it today..

It can be duck or goose...

Rupert Pupkin 05-14-2010 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 647339)
That, I disagreed with..but in general, I think the FDA does need to have some regulatory power

Don't get me wrong. I do think we need the FDA. I do think the FDA should have some regulatory power. If a drug is killing people, the FDA obviously needs to take it off the market.

The question is how much power should the FDA have. I personally would rather that they have less power than more power. I don't think they need to regulate everything out there. I have no problem with some type of FDA seal of approval. That seems like it would be the best idea in most of these cases.

Why not have a simple label on all of these products? For things that are approved by the FDA, there could be a seal of approval that says "the FDA has approved this product". For products that are not approved by the FDA, you could have a warning label that says, "This product has not been approved by the "FDA".

I would be more comfortable with something like that.

Rupert Pupkin 05-14-2010 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 647328)
It's already been done locally. The Chicago city council outlawed foie gras last year.

I think that when it comes to animal cruelty, the government needs to get involved. The making of foie gras is very cruel. They force feed these animals with a tube down their throat to make their liver the size of a grape-fruit.

Here is some information about how foie gras is made:

"Foie gras, French for "fatty liver," is made from the grotesquely enlarged livers of male ducks and geese. The birds are kept in tiny wire cages or packed into sheds. Pipes are repeatedly shoved down the birds' throats, and up to 4 pounds of grain and fat are pumped into their stomachs two or three times every day. The pipes puncture many birds' throats, sometimes causing the animals to bleed to death. This cruel procedure causes the birds' livers to become diseased and swell to up to 10 times their normal size. Many birds become too sick to stand up. The birds who survive the force-feeding are killed, and their livers are sold for foie gras."

That is cruelty to animals. That should be illegal. IMO.

http://www.goveg.com/feat/foie/

Antitrust32 05-14-2010 02:16 PM

I have read that, while what they do to the ducks / geese to make the Foie gras SOUNDS very cruel to humans.. it does not actually cause the animal any pain.

Rupert Pupkin 05-14-2010 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 647496)
I have read that, while what they do to the ducks / geese to make the Foie gras SOUNDS very cruel to humans.. it does not actually cause the animal any pain.

How do you know that it doesn't cause them pain? I find that very hard to believe. Having a tube shoved down their throat can't feel good.

Antitrust32 05-14-2010 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 647498)
How do you know that it doesn't cause them pain? I find that very hard to believe. Having a tube shoved down their throat can't feel good.

it said they have no gag reflex's and that the esphogus or whatever has something coating it and they dont feel any pain.

Rupert Pupkin 05-14-2010 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 647505)
it said they have no gag reflex's and that the esphogus or whatever has something coating it and they dont feel any pain.

Even if that is true and it doesn't really hurt their throat, that still does not sound like humane treatment to be stuck in a tiny cage, and force-fed through a tube until their liver swells up to 10x bigger than it should be.

Do you how many of these animals are sickly and die from this? I don't know the number but I'm sure it is astronomically higher than for geese that are cared for in a normal way.

brianwspencer 05-14-2010 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 647513)
Even if that is true and it doesn't really hurt their throat, that still does not sound like humane treatment to be stuck in a tiny cage, and force-fed through a tube until their liver swells up to 10x bigger than it should be.

Do you how many of these animals are sickly and die from this? I don't know the number but I'm sure it is astronomically higher than for geese that are cared for in a normal way.

Have you seen factory farmed chickens?

Their breasts are ridiculously bigger than natural, thanks to the way they're raised.

Cannon Shell 05-14-2010 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 647548)

Their breasts are ridiculously bigger than natural, thanks to the way they're raised.

hey it works for strippers...


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