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The Indomitable DrugS 04-08-2010 01:17 PM

Stupidest thing I've read today
 
http://www.drf.com/news/article/112005.html


Even if he wasn't a son of Cuvee ... it's still very stupid.


He does deserve special mention for being the nicest 2-year-old to race at PID last year anyway.

randallscott35 04-08-2010 01:18 PM

12 panels should be right in his wheelhouse.

NTamm1215 04-08-2010 01:19 PM

I was just going to post that this is a race where he has a great chance to finish last.

NT

randallscott35 04-08-2010 01:20 PM

This where someone comes in and says his dams side will carry him the whole way. LOL

The Indomitable DrugS 04-08-2010 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 633685)
12 panels should be right in his wheelhouse.

He always seems to get hit in the head by the 1/16th pole... and he hasn't gone 9fs yet .. let alone 12f.

randallscott35 04-08-2010 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 633689)
He always seems to get hit in the head by the 1/16th pole... and he hasn't gone 9fs yet .. let alone 12f.

He's just getting moving at 8.5 is all...You wait!

randallscott35 04-08-2010 01:24 PM

If a Borrego can win first out at 4.5 then NP can surely win the Coyote Lakes stakes at AQ

Scav 04-08-2010 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 633683)
http://www.drf.com/news/article/112005.html


Even if he wasn't a son of Cuvee ... it's still very stupid.


He does deserve special mention for being the nicest 2-year-old to race at PID last year anyway.


Not just today, but the stupidest thing I have heard in a long time.

McPeek was also on TVG last week yapping about how Bold Start should love Keeneland's turf course and how it favors front runners in turf routes.

I think the last time I looked they were like 2 for 80 or something gate to wire turf routes.

Kasept 04-08-2010 01:35 PM

Hold up a second... It's a mistake to think that running 1.5 miles there is anything like running 1.5 miles here. The Epsom Derby is won in 2:32.0-2:36.0, or in other words, about 5 seconds slower than the Belmont. As nuts as McPeek may be, I wouldn't be so dismissive of this concept. It's horses galloping for a seven-eighths of a mile and finishing the last five-eighths with a flourish. It's not an American Classic dirt race.

randallscott35 04-08-2010 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 633696)
Hold up a second... It's a mistake to think that running 1.5 miles there is anything like running 1.5 miles here. The Epsom Derby is won in 2:32.0-2:36.0, or in other words, about 5 seconds slower than the Belmont. As nuts as McPeek may be, I wouldn't be so dismissive of this concept. It's horses galloping for a seven-eighths of a mile and finishing the last five-eighths with a flourish. It's not an American Classic dirt race.

Pace or none, 12 panels on the turf is a long way...Cuvee doesn't help.

the_fat_man 04-08-2010 01:42 PM

Yeah. Here's a horse that hasn't sniffed a good trip in 4 straight races. And we have nothing better to do than trash him. Maybe he doesn't get 12F but put him BEHIND horses and make a ****in' timely move (for once) with him and he's certainly not embarrassing himself.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-08-2010 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 633696)
Hold up a second... It's a mistake to think that running 1.5 miles there is anything like running 1.5 miles here. The Epsom Derby is won in 2:32.0-2:36.0, or in other words, about 5 seconds slower than the Belmont. As nuts as McPeek may be, I wouldn't be so dismissive of this concept. It's horses galloping for a seven-eighths of a mile and finishing the last five-eighths with a flourish. It's not an American Classic dirt race.


Steve, You're out of your mind on this one. You are totally overthinking it.

The final times are slower because the course is extremely demanding and you run uphill for part of it.

They don't call the race "the supreme test of a thoroughbred" because it's easy for a horse by Cuvee out of a Clever Trick mare to see out the distance.

How do our best American turf horses do when we travel to Dubai for the turf marathons? Hell, the Euro's only ship in a few each year for the BC Turf and they always seem to kick our asses in that race on our own soil.

philcski 04-08-2010 01:59 PM

McPeek has some kind of fascination with the Epsom Derby...

tector 04-08-2010 02:00 PM

The day's not over....

The Indomitable DrugS 04-08-2010 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tector (Post 633706)
The day's not over....

It's a strong leader in the clubhoue though.

Maybe Pletcher has his eyes set on the Grand National with Discreetly Mine.

randallscott35 04-08-2010 02:11 PM

85/50 thinking BC Marathon. Plenty of turns to bolt on.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-08-2010 02:21 PM

Here was Cuvee.



Just missed the CD track record for 4.5fs in his debut - and set a 20 3/5th opening quarter while dueling in his first start as a 3yo.

His Saratoga Special win in the slop was spectacular.

VOL JACK 04-08-2010 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 633705)
McPeek has some kind of fascination with the Epsom Derby...

McPeaked is a tool.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-08-2010 02:44 PM

If Dubai Millenniumm had only ducked the Epsom Derby ... I think he would probably be considered the consensus best horse from last decade over Ghostzapper.


Pedigree Ann 04-08-2010 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 633697)
Pace or none, 12 panels on the turf is a long way...Cuvee doesn't help.

It also is uphill for a half-mile after the start and for the last half-mile. Even as good a miler as Blushing Groom couldn't last for that uphill finish.


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