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letswastemoney 01-28-2010 05:33 PM

Donn Handicap Nominees
 
Another walkover for Quality Road?

Beresford
Dry Martini
Dubai Gold
Harlem Rocker
Helsinki
Le Grand Cru
Past the Point
Take the Points
Mambo Meister,
Delightful Kiss,
Kiss the Kid,
Duke of Mischief,
Grasshopper,
Timber Reserve,
You and I Forever.
Friesan Fire
Misremembered
and Quality Road

my miss storm cat 01-28-2010 05:42 PM

Am I a horrible person for not being thrilled with this list?

SOREHOOF 01-28-2010 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
Am I a horrible person for not being thrilled with this list?

Who is missing out of the available runners?

SOREHOOF 01-28-2010 06:05 PM

I still like Freisan Fire. Don't know if he can beat Quality Road, but he will be there.

Gaining Ground 01-28-2010 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF
I still like Freisan Fire. Don't know if he can beat Quality Road, but he will be there.

friesan fire won't be able to crawl around the track like he has at fairgrounds with quality road there. that is if friesan fire even runs.

SOREHOOF 01-28-2010 06:11 PM

I'd be surprised if he ran. I don't think they want any part of Quality Road at this point in time.

RolloTomasi 01-28-2010 06:34 PM

The participation of Past The Point and Timber Reserve and a clean break by Le Grand Cru should go a long way in determining how robust Quality Road is beyond a mile.

I have my doubts about his stamina, and while he's better than those he'll face, I think the possible pace scenario will make this a far cry from a walkover.

Assuming a strong early pace, I would look towards Delightful Kiss or possibly Helsinki to pick up the pieces if there's a meltdown.

GPK 01-28-2010 06:36 PM

Misremembered

RolloTomasi 01-28-2010 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Misremembered

I assume he'll run in the Strub at Santa Anita next weekend.

GPK 01-28-2010 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
I assume he'll run in the Strub at Santa Anita next weekend.


Good point. Got the noms for that?

RolloTomasi 01-28-2010 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Good point. Got the noms for that?

Not yet. Nominations closed today.

Maybe they'll be up tomorrow along with the PPs.

freddymo 01-28-2010 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
The participation of Past The Point and Timber Reserve and a clean break by Le Grand Cru should go a long way in determining how robust Quality Road is beyond a mile.

I have my doubts about his stamina, and while he's better than those he'll face, I think the possible pace scenario will make this a far cry from a walkover.

Assuming a strong early pace, I would look towards Delightful Kiss or possibly Helsinki to pick up the pieces if there's a meltdown.

Do you bet on racing I thought you just participated in spiritual way?

RockHardTen1985 01-28-2010 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
Another walkover for Quality Road?

Beresford
Dry Martini
Dubai Gold
Harlem Rocker
Helsinki
Le Grand Cru
Past the Point
Take the Points
Mambo Meister,
Delightful Kiss,
Kiss the Kid,
Duke of Mischief,
Grasshopper,
Timber Reserve,
You and I Forever.
Friesan Fire
Misremembered
and Quality Road

This list looks like 1 main and 1 backup....

RockHardTen1985 01-28-2010 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
I assume he'll run in the Strub at Santa Anita next weekend.


He might run there, but Baffert has said he likes dirt a lot better, and did run him in the Clark.

RolloTomasi 01-28-2010 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
He might run there, but Baffert has said he likes dirt a lot better, and did run him in the Clark.

True, but staying home for $300,000 against Smart Bid is probably more appealing than having Quality Road standing in front of the $500,000 pot at Gulfstream.

Not to mention beyond is the Big Cap over the same track for a much bigger purse than either of these.

freddymo 01-28-2010 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
True, but staying home for $300,000 against Smart Bid is probably more appealing than having Quality Road standing in front of the $500,000 pot at Gulfstream.

Not to mention beyond is the Big Cap over the same track for a much bigger purse than either of these.

Goggle the phrase "Big Cap" and you get listings for hat companies.. Isn't time for The Big Cap to accept its place as a meaningless grade 2+ event for slugs and wanna bes? The Big Cap is a joke race save the popcorn for some BS movie.. The last serious horse to win was Tiznow before that Siphon who was OK before that maybe who Lord at War.. They should rename it the Big Fraud

The Indomitable DrugS 01-28-2010 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Goggle the phrase "Big Cap" and you get listings for hat companies.. Isn't time for The Big Cap to accept its place as a meaningless grade 2+ event for slugs and wanna bes? The Big Cap is a joke race save the popcorn for some BS movie.. The last serious horse to win was Tiznow before that Siphon who was OK before that maybe who Lord at War.. They should rename it the Big Fraud

Alysheba was between Siphon and LaW.

Wouldn't the Big Crap be a better name than the Big Fraud in terms of mocking the race?

The invention of the Dubai World Cup has hurt the race ... but it's still one of America's great races.

RockHardTen1985 01-28-2010 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Alysheba was between Siphon and LaW.

Wouldn't the Big Crap be a better name than the Big Fraud in terms of mocking the race?

The invention of the Dubai World Cup has hurt the race ... but it's still one of America's great races.

I stongly agree.

The Indomitable DrugS 01-28-2010 09:45 PM

On second thought... Freddy's probably right.

RolloTomasi 01-28-2010 10:39 PM

Interestingly, in each of the past 7 runnings at least one horse from the race has gone on to win a Grade 1 later the same year.

A large chunk of the most notable racehorses from the last 25 years have run in the race. Ferdinand, Broad Brush, Snow Chief, Alysheba, Criminal Type, Bayakoa, Quiet American, Pleasant Tap, In Excess, Best Pal, Bertrando, The Wicked North, Bien Bien, Dare And Go, Serena's Song, Afternoon Deelites, Siphon, Gentlemen, Formal Gold, Free House, Silver Charm, General Challenge, Tiznow, Congaree, Pleasantly Perfect, Southern Image, Rock Hard Ten, Saint Liam, Lava Man.

Freddy really has no understanding (or respect) of the game or its history or its tradition, so his posts are pretty much the internet equivalent of rice cakes.


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