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dellinger63 08-18-2006 10:42 AM

Why would they do this?
 
Indy Storm in the 3rd at Sar has been gelded since last start. Why on earth would you geld a AP Indy/Unbridled 750K colt? And then run for a 25K tag? Had to be a health issue in my mind.

Pointg5 08-18-2006 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
Indy Storm in the 3rd at Sar has been gelded since last start. Why on earth would you geld a AP Indy/Unbridled 750K colt? And then run for a 25K tag? Had to be a health issue in my mind.

I don't know, I have seen that at Keeneland before, some AP Indy that cost a fortune was running in a 15k, just goes to show you, breeding is not everything or much of anything at times...

Buffymommy 08-18-2006 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
Indy Storm in the 3rd at Sar has been gelded since last start. Why on earth would you geld a AP Indy/Unbridled 750K colt? And then run for a 25K tag? Had to be a health issue in my mind.


They are running in a $25,000 claiming race with a $750,000 horse? :confused:

dellinger63 08-18-2006 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Buffymommy
They are running in a $25,000 claiming race with a $750,000 horse? :confused:

yea maybe he was gelded out of spite. Bobbitt style?

Pointg5 08-18-2006 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Buffymommy
They are running in a $25,000 claiming race with a $750,000 horse? :confused:

Just because he cost $750K, doesn't mean he's worth it...That's why I am amused by these "pretty pedigree horsey people"...My favorite is when someone picks up a catalog and states this one should be a good horse, well then, take a look at this one...

zippyneedsawin 08-18-2006 10:49 AM

wow, on pedigree alone you'd think he was worth something in the shed.

Scav 08-18-2006 10:54 AM

You are right, they gelded him out of spite. They basically said "I am not going to let this horse turn it around and become a stallion" so they snip snip and get rid of their problem

Buffymommy 08-18-2006 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5
Just because he cost $750K, doesn't mean he's worth it...That's why I am amused by these "pretty pedigree horsey people"...My favorite is when someone picks up a catalog and states this one should be a good horse, well then, take a look at this one...


I didn't mean he was worth $750,000 but that they PAID that much for him? Kinda like, HUH?

Why geld him though? With his pedigree even if he doesn't run well, couldn't he have had some value as a stallion? Even like $500?

Downthestretch55 08-18-2006 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
You are right, they gelded him out of spite. They basically said "I am not going to let this horse turn it around and become a stallion" so they snip snip and get rid of their problem

I'm not sure why they gelded him.
From my experience, one that had a great pedigree just became too "coltish", dangerous to be around, focused on only one thing if you know what I mean.
The other one was gelded because his testicles interfered with his running.
Just my two pennies worth.

Bold Brooklynite 08-18-2006 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5
Just because he cost $750K, doesn't mean he's worth it...That's why I am amused by these "pretty pedigree horsey people"...My favorite is when someone picks up a catalog and states this one should be a good horse, well then, take a look at this one...

There was someone on this forum a few weeks ago ... I forget who ... claiming that "experts" can tell whether or not horses can run ... just by looking at them.

I tried to argue the point with him ... but to no avail. He really believes it.

I wonder what kind of eyesight the "expert" ... who advised putting up $750G for this nag ... had?

whorstman 08-18-2006 11:22 AM

25k, huh? Will they take a check?

Bold Brooklynite 08-18-2006 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Buffymommy
I didn't mean he was worth $750,000 but that they PAID that much for him? Kinda like, HUH?

Why geld him though? With his pedigree even if he doesn't run well, couldn't he have had some value as a stallion? Even like $500?

If a stallion can't command a full book ... for at least his first three years ... at a $2,500 fee or usually more ... the big stud farms ... or even the medium ones ... won't touch him.

Do the math ... 40 mares a year at $2,500 = $100,000 gross. Take out all the overhead, insurance, upkeep, sales, marketing ... and there's not much left.

If you have your own little operation ... you can make some pocket change by having a stallion cover ten or fifteen mares a year at $500 each.

Pointg5 08-18-2006 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite
There was someone on this forum a few weeks ago ... I forget who ... claiming that "experts" can tell whether or not horses can run ... just by looking at them.

I tried to argue the point with him ... but to no avail. He really believes it.

I wonder what kind of eyesight the "expert" ... who advised putting up $750G for this nag ... had?


You don't know what you are going to get: Bernardini or Indy Storm, but to proclaim that they are going to be great based on pedigree is rediculous...

They have these little cartoon's on the wall in the Sports Bar at Keeneland, my favorite has two foals staring at each other across a fence, one with a caption above his head with his pedigree and all of these "well bred" horses in it, the other foal has a question mark above his head and the foal is looking at the "well bred" foal, like he could care less, it's beautiful...

Cajungator26 08-18-2006 11:36 AM

I'm more impressed with the conformation on a colt or filly myself. I wouldn't buy one with lousy conformation (I don't care what the pedigree says.) That's the problem though... people in the business care more about the "pedigree" and amount of black type than they do with the way the individual looks.

Scurlogue Champ 08-18-2006 11:43 AM

I would say they are doing it because he sucks

Bold Brooklynite 08-18-2006 11:52 AM

The greatest sire of runners in American history ... Bold Ruler ... sired 24% stakes winners.

That's one out of four ... and not all of them were money makers.

Stallions who sire 10-15% stakes winners are considered outstanding ... so you've got at best a one-in-ten chance of getting some money back ... which may or not cover the purchase price and the upkeep.

The only people who make money at the sales are the breeders, the agents, and the auctioneers. The buyers get fleeced.

paisjpq 08-18-2006 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite
The greatest sire of runners in American history ... Bold Ruler ... sired 24% stakes winners.

That's one out of four ... and not all of them were money makers.

Stallions who sire 10-15% stakes winners are considered outstanding ... so you've got at best a one-in-ten chance of getting some money back ... which may or not cover the purchase price and the upkeep.

The only people who make money at the sales are the breeders, the agents, and the auctioneers. The buyers get fleeced.

breeders get 'fleeced' too...for every one that sells for 750K there are a dozen others that won't cover the stud fee.

Downthestretch55 08-18-2006 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
breeders get 'fleeced' too...for every one that sells for 750K there are a dozen others that won't cover the stud fee.

Ain't that the truth!

TitanSooner 08-18-2006 01:10 PM

biggest equipment change in racing works again..

Bold Brooklynite 08-18-2006 01:40 PM

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biggest equipment change in racing works again..

Thanks ... I wasn't aware that they put a shadow roll on him.


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