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randallscott35 12-07-2009 04:23 PM

Albertrani Positive
 
30 days

http://drf.com/news/article/109411.html

hockey2315 12-07-2009 04:24 PM

Tranquilizer?

randallscott35 12-07-2009 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
Tranquilizer?

Class 2.

Fulla Sheets 12-07-2009 04:25 PM

It is like the Mitchell Report all over again.

Antitrust32 12-07-2009 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Fulla Sheets
It is like the Mitchell Report all over again.


:tro:


Just like all baseball players fall under the *.. so do trainers..

*Big Brown 2008 Kentucky Derby Winner

Coach Pants 12-07-2009 04:31 PM

...and he's horrendous. Should get perma-banned for cheating and sucking at the same time.

hockey2315 12-07-2009 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Class 2.

Right. . . It's just interesting to hear she was tranqued up considering how poorly she ran that day. I realize that it can be performance enhancing in small doses, but obviously detrimental in larger doses.

NTamm1215 12-07-2009 04:41 PM

I understand that K-Mac's suspension got a lot of play in some international racing publications because of his training for Sheikh Mo. Now one of the other trainers he uses has a positive for a drug that would just be stupid to give a horse.

I'm just saying it, but let's see if Eoin Harty has a positive in the coming days.

NT

hockey2315 12-07-2009 04:45 PM

Like I said - it's not always detrimental to a horse's performance in smaller doses.

Rudeboyelvis 12-07-2009 06:01 PM

>>>"I would never administer a drug like this to a horse before a race," Albertrani said. "This substance was not in my barn. It would be both counterintuitive (sic) and downright foolish for me to give the odds-on favorite in a Grade 1 race a banned substance knowing that she would be tested."<<<

Counter-intuitive unless of course you're betting against an odds-on favorite

reese 12-07-2009 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215
I understand that K-Mac's suspension got a lot of play in some international racing publications because of his training for Sheikh Mo. Now one of the other trainers he uses has a positive for a drug that would just be stupid to give a horse.

I'm just saying it, but let's see if Eoin Harty has a positive in the coming days.

NT

Almost sounds "vindictive" Two formerly "clean" trainers cited.
And a tranquilizer sounds stupid from a trainer like Albertraini.
Must be KY is trying to make an example before their "new" drug testing protocols begin:zz:

KY reduced the horses that will be drug tested in 2010. Costs too much to test under the current system they have...whatever that is

The Kentucky Horse Racing Commission has approved new procedures that regulators say will streamline and reduce the cost of equine drug testing in the state by as much as 25-30%.

Under the new procedures, approved unanimously by the commission Dec. 1, at least two horses out of every race will be taken to the test barn where samples, including blood and urine, will be collected under the direction of the official veterinarian. Based on the discretion of stewards, there may be more than two horses selected for blood and urine samples to be drawn, but a sample will always be taken of the winner and any other horse(s) as designated by the stewards.

Once the samples are taken, not all of them will be tested for prohibited substances. From the samples taken, some will be designated with either a gold or red label, again, at the discretion of stewards. The samples with gold labels will be tested 100% of the time while 50% of the red-label samples will be tested. Once the samples are logged into the Lab Information Management System, the computer would be programmed to randomly select the red-labeled samples for testing.
For listed and graded stakes and any race with a purse of $100,000 or more, the top three finishers would have samples drawn and tested under the new system.

Presently, samples are taken and tested from two participants in every race--the winner and an additional horse, and the top four finishers in graded stakes.


http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=15379

randallscott35 12-07-2009 06:06 PM

Two trainers with Dubai ties no less.

freddymo 12-07-2009 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Obviously this was sabotage

RolloTomasi 12-07-2009 06:34 PM

Sounds like the state of Kentucky is trying to reverse its "anything goes" reputation with the horsemen, and is finally actually doing some testing.

I always kind of wondered if John Veitch would shake things up when he became a steward. Whether or not he's really the force behind it all, certainly his name has been plastered all over the news reports starting with the Patrick Biancone debacle.

As for Albertrani saying "this substance was not in my barn", his has gotta be one of the few.

freddymo 12-07-2009 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
Sounds like the state of Kentucky is trying to reverse its "anything goes" reputation with the horsemen, and is finally actually doing some testing.

I always kind of wondered if John Veitch would shake things up when he became a steward. Whether or not he's really the force behind it all, certainly his name has been plastered all over the news reports starting with the Patrick Biancone debacle.

As for Albertrani saying "this substance was not in my barn", his has gotta be one of the few.

Tell me were to get some PLEASE.. I am going on the 11th and would love to get 60pts of the 20k slot pot.Can You HELP?

jballscalls 12-07-2009 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis
>>>"I would never administer a drug like this to a horse before a race," Albertrani said. "This substance was not in my barn. It would be both counterintuitive (sic) and downright foolish for me to give the odds-on favorite in a Grade 1 race a banned substance knowing that she would be tested."<<<

Counter-intuitive unless of course you're betting against an odds-on favorite

usually odds on favorites that run poorly are sent to the test barn as well by order of the stewards. as are long shots who run well

VOL JACK 12-07-2009 09:32 PM

From all accounts I hear TA is a straight up classy guy as there is on the back stretch.
If he swears he didn't give the filly the drug....I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt. JMO

freddymo 12-07-2009 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK
From all accounts I hear TA is a straight up classy guy as there is on the back stretch.
If he swears he didn't give the filly the drug....I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt. JMO

Agreed

banter 12-08-2009 05:20 AM

Something that McLaughlin, Albertrani, and Bin Suroor have been publicly called out at more or less the same time...

"Sheikh Mohammed's Delegator Disqualified"--http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/142633/Sheikh-Mohammad-s-Delegator-disqualified

"Delegator Mile disqualification confirmed"--http://www.rte.ie/sport/racing/2009/1207/delegator_celebrationmile.html

A methylprednisolone positive takes center stage in this case.

In my view, a 750 pound (about $1230) fine for a prohibited medication serves no useful purpose as a deterrent. Forget wrist slap, we're talking finger tap with that puny amount.

Even in situations in which a trainer misjudges the withdrawal time of a particular drug, penalties need to be stiff enough to make the stable connections pay scrupulous attention to dosing issues.

"Racing integrity" will remain an oxymoron until and unless such issues are stringently addressed.

I would suppose, although these articles don't say for sure, that not only was the win disallowed but the purse retracted and redistributed. Having the winnings taken away offers something of a deterrent and gives some satisfaction to Zacinto and his connections. Still, they were robbed of the race day experience of outright winning. Another horse got to stand in the winner's circle and have his picture taken.

I would add that the shame of getting caught should be a deterrent, but I see no evidence that things work that way.

And what about the news that the BHA will cut drug testing by 50% next year, or that the FEI will allow the use of bute for show jumping and events?

Disappointing news all the way around.

Rudeboyelvis 12-08-2009 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jballscalls
usually odds on favorites that run poorly are sent to the test barn as well by order of the stewards. as are long shots who run well

JB - So is a post time favorite finishing third considered "running poorly"? It happens every single day.

I'm not indicting him, but the stuff didn't magically appear in GG's system either.

He's either aware of it, or someone is running around the backstretch in the middle of the night drugging favorites to bet against them. Can you offer a different explanation?

Either way, it is pretty egregious, and the owners and gamblers are due an answer - for him not to fight it or at least demand an investigation of his barn is troubling.


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