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Breeders Cup Turf winners 1999-2008
I'm getting excited about the Breeders Cup, just looked over the past 10 years turf races. Here's how I'd rank them
1. Daylami 1999 (As good as there is on this list, this is no contest!) 2. High Chaparral 2002/2003 (such a professional no nonsense horse!) 3. Fantastic Light 2001 (Improved every year, so good over 10f or 12) 4. Kalanisi 2000 (Very underrated horse, had some might tussles with Giants Causeway, will probably be the last horse to win the Champion Stakes and BC Turf in the same year?) 5. Conduit 2008 (Some may say he is high enough on this list and benefitted from a suicidal pace last year, but this guy can really motor when in top gear and will make a bold bid to join High Chap as a double winner) 6. Shirocco 2005 (Was an out and out stayer, got his conditions in Belmont, and had a successful 2006 until the Arc) 7. English Channel 2007 (Needed a mudbath to win it, but was a solid enough, consistent horse for his whole career) 8. Better Talk Now 2004 (Rather fortunate winner I thought but he was a great servant to connections and nearly doubled up 2006) 9. Red Rocks 2006 (Famous for this win and beating Curlin. Hasnt really done much more!) 10. Johar 2003 (Played his part in history but it would have been a tragedy had he beaten High Chaparral) |
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These are the PPs for Turf winners between 96 and 2005. http://www.drf.com/bc/2005/pps/winners/turf.pdf I'll try to grab the PPs for Red Rocks, English Channel, and Conduit but there's no way Johar was better than maybe one or two of the others on that 99-2005 list. NT |
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He did lose way too often though, I'll give you that. One thing that I really liked about him was his turn of foot. He kind of reminded me of a male version of Toussaud, without the mental issues. Awesome acceleration. |
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2. High Chaparral 3. Kalanisi 4. Fantastic Light 5. English Channel 6. Better Talk Now 7. Red Rocks 8. Shirocco 9. Conduit 10. Johar |
my least favorite BC race to watch
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So, people rate High Chapparal 2nd on the list but Johar tenth, despite their deadheat the one time they met.
Yeah, that makes sense. |
How the hell is any American supposed to be able to rank those? You can't do it without a whole lot of guess work.
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Here's the best I can do...
#1: I don't know #2: I don't know #3: I don't know #4: I don't know #5: I don't know #6: I don't know #7: I don't know #8: I don't know #9: Red Rocks #10: Johar |
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Not a shining endorsement. |
I think Conduit will repeat this year. I could see Dar Re Mi running in the BC Turf though instead of the Fillie Turf race and I could see Dar Re Mi winning it this year. It will be interesting to see if she runs in the ARC. I doubt she could beat Sea The Stars but at 10-1 I might take a shot with her.
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you just have to accept that the euros are better, even when one of theirs deadheats with one of our lousy turf horses. as to where to rank them individually, who knows? |
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It's not easy to compare American turf horses 5-to-10 years apart with confidence. |
I guess if Cigar had retired before putting it all together, my prediction of future greatness for him would have been scoffed at as well. Come to think of it, it was (by friends)!
Perhaps Johar just needed more time to mature as a racehorse, I don't know. I do know, however, that if you know how to watch a horse, you'd have seen an acceleration with him that you rarely see from other horses. Back when he was running, I thought that perhaps his rider had a tendency to get him going just a bit too late to get to the wire first. Toussaud must have been a goat as well I guess, since she didn't win even half her starts either. I wonder how it's possible Frankel thought her, at least at one point, thought her to be one of the best three fillies or mares he'd ever had. |
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His two losses prior to the BC, hardly humiliating defeats, could easily be seen as "racing into form" preps for the Turf. Its not hard to imagine the horse being at least the equivalent of another American like Bien Bien in terms of accomplishments, had he stayed healthy. |
The top 4 and bottom 2 were pretty clearcut i thought. The rest are all in a heap.
Johar wasnt a good horse. He benefitted, I thought from the bad ride Daryll Holland gave the very iffy stayer Falbrav, Kinane had to go earlier than he would have and was nearly nicked on the line.. I was very keen on Red Rocks the year he won it (He is probably one of the reasons I am welcomed over to Arlington and other places :) ), but he just isnt a good horse.. |
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And just how many races of Johar's did you see? As Rollo just mentioned, Johar was coming around nicely towards the end of his three year old campaign, and personally, I think he would have won the BC that year had he run in it. |
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