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Sightseek 08-01-2009 05:05 PM

Does Mine That Bird Win Again?
 
Personally I thought Smith moved to soon but I'm not so sure he wins if they waited either...

Is he looking at a career of OTB finishes and not another big win?

XIIPointStables 08-01-2009 05:10 PM

Tough, tough pace set up. I think he wins again. As a gelding he'll be around for a while. Isn't it true that horses get better as they get to four years old?

He'll win again.

Sightseek 08-01-2009 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by XIIPointStables
Tough, tough pace set up. I think he wins again. As a gelding he'll be around for a while. Isn't it true that horses get better as they get to four years old?

He'll win again.

Off the top of my head, Flower Alley would disagree with that assumption. :D

declansharbor 08-01-2009 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by XIIPointStables
Tough, tough pace set up. I think he wins again. As a gelding he'll be around for a while. Isn't it true that horses get better as they get to four years old?

He'll win again.

The 1 seemed to flourish with the tough, tough pace. Not sure if he could've gotten a better set up, he stunk today no ifs, ands, or buts.

Hickory Hill Hoff 08-01-2009 05:22 PM

With Calvin aboard

10 pnt move up 08-01-2009 05:30 PM

sure he can win again, but its going to take a drop in class, and that says something looking at the WV Derby field, a perfect trip, and maybe even some rain.

Horses who need perfect trips to win are average horses, we have lots of those in grade 3's, which is about this horses level.

The Indomitable DrugS 08-01-2009 07:13 PM

One trainer down there told me Big Drama passed out after the race - and was on the ground for a long while - but he did not die.

SniperSB23 08-01-2009 07:44 PM

He was put in an impossible to win race and had to move early today. The horse will win again.

The Indomitable DrugS 08-01-2009 07:48 PM

What was so impossible about it?

SniperSB23 08-01-2009 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
What was so impossible about it?

Giving 11 pounds to a quality horse that was lone speed. It turned out that Big Drama was a giant gutless pig but at the time Smith moved he didn't know that.

hockey2315 08-01-2009 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
One trainer down there told me Big Drama passed out after the race - and was on the ground for a long while - but he did not die.

So does that mean no King's Bishop?

The Indomitable DrugS 08-01-2009 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Giving 11 pounds to a quality horse that was lone speed. It turned out that Big Drama was a giant gutless pig but at the time Smith moved he didn't know that.

It wasn't 11 pounds - Coa couldn't make the weight and went off at 115lbs.

And considering Big Drama allegedly passed out from heat stroke after the race on the walk back to the barn - and was down for a long time - I guess he's not a gutless pig. He was done on the turn.

DaTruth 08-01-2009 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Personally I thought Smith moved to soon but I'm not so sure he wins if they waited either...

Is he looking at a career of OTB finishes and not another big win?

Maybe his connections wanted better odds for the Travers.

I'm not ready to write him off just yet. If he fizzles in the Travers and Super Derby, there is always the turf and those short-field grass marathons in SoCal.

alysheba4 08-01-2009 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
One trainer down there told me Big Drama passed out after the race - and was on the ground for a long while - but he did not die.

...hope his o.k. he had better stick to 7 panels

Danzig 08-01-2009 10:49 PM

if mine that bird gets the right set up for his one dimensional running style, he could win again. it wouldn't surprise me if he won again, or if he didn't.

letswastemoney 08-01-2009 11:01 PM

He's going to win JCGC, then end his career in Wadworth Memorial and retire :)

RockHardTen1985 08-01-2009 11:41 PM

He will win again, if he stays healty.
He likes synthetic surfaces and that usually favors his running style, he will find a group somewhere he can handle. He is also clearly dangerous in any race with a strong pace.

King Glorious 08-02-2009 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
He's going to win JCGC, then end his career in Wadworth Memorial and retire :)

If Rachel's not there, I think he's got as good a shot as any. Seriously, who are the top older horses back east? Commentator and Einstein? Do either of those two scare anyone off?

Bigsmc 08-02-2009 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

Is he looking at a career of OTB finishes and not another big win?

Define "big win".

Will he get another Grade 1 win? No

Thunder Gulch 08-02-2009 08:28 AM

I would say he could become another Perfect Drift, but I don't think he's that good.


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