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scat daddy 07-23-2009 10:37 PM

New sheriff in town in Saratoga
 
Expect to see changes around the track as a new hire from Kentucky has many current employees and vendors on notice. Gone this year are the Rose babes that have walked the grounds in Victorian style dresses for the past 15 years. All vendors with booths as you first walk in will soon follow.

While several attempts have been made to meet with NYRA they have given the cold shoulder to the rose vendor and others. The only response from the "Justice" was we are changing the look of the backyard and entrance to Saratoga? Sounds like more good people have no job during these difficult times.

And finally the word is that this is the final year of the giveway's at Saratoga. It may still offer great racing, but it looks like the "justice" is being allowed to come in and do what she wants regardless of tradition and care for the help that has been in place for several years.

Scat

kgar311 07-24-2009 10:34 AM

Sounds familiar, come in like a bat out of hell, do whatever hes see fit without regard to what the people want and do it with with no accountability. Sounds like this guy need a good punch in the face.

pmacdaddy 07-24-2009 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by scat daddy
And finally the word is that this is the final year of the giveway's at Saratoga.

We should be so lucky.

dellinger63 07-24-2009 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by pmacdaddy
We should be so lucky.

:tro: :tro: :tro:

parsixfarms 07-24-2009 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by pmacdaddy
We should be so lucky.

I'm not one to collect these items, but what difference does it really make? We all know that the attendance figures are inflated, but that doesn't impact us at all?

If the giveaways help draw people to the track (and I know that some get their items and simply leave), isn't that a good thing? With the sole exception of the beach blanket giveaway a few years ago, I can't honestly say that I've ever been inconvenienced by a giveaway day crowd. And with NYRA solving the problem of "spinners" jamming the admission booths, even that isn't an issue any more.

dellinger63 07-24-2009 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
I'm not one to collect these items, but what difference does it really make? We all know that the attendance figures are inflated, but that doesn't impact us at all?

If the giveaways help draw people to the track (and I know that some get their items and simply leave), isn't that a good thing? With the sole exception of the beach blanket giveaway a few years ago, I can't honestly say that I've ever been inconvenienced by a giveaway day crowd. And with NYRA solving the problem of "spinners" jamming the admission booths, even that isn't an issue any more.

I just hate everyone wearing the same red baseball hats, some 4-5 hats at one time, then just wandering and getting in the way of those there for reasons other than a giveaway.

Sightseek 07-24-2009 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
I just hate everyone wearing the same red baseball hats, some 4-5 hats at one time, then just wandering and getting in the way of those there for reasons other than a giveaway.

It's better than getting knocked over the head by some guy carrying 50 umbrellas!

dellinger63 07-24-2009 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
It's better than getting knocked over the head by some guy carrying 50 umbrellas!

we're probably talking about the same guy. lol

pmacdaddy 07-24-2009 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
I'm not one to collect these items, but what difference does it really make? We all know that the attendance figures are inflated, but that doesn't impact us at all?

If the giveaways help draw people to the track (and I know that some get their items and simply leave), isn't that a good thing? With the sole exception of the beach blanket giveaway a few years ago, I can't honestly say that I've ever been inconvenienced by a giveaway day crowd. And with NYRA solving the problem of "spinners" jamming the admission booths, even that isn't an issue any more.

Seems like the giveways really accomplish little. I know a lot more horseplayers that have stopped going on giveway days than I have ever heard someone say "I went for a free umbrella, now I'm hooked"...

If they want to make a gesture to fans, I would much prefer free admission Sundays. At least that ensures the people going have some interest in being there as opposed to collecting trunkloads of free crap for friends and neighbors.

Travis Stone 07-24-2009 11:46 AM

Dealing with the throngs of people for a few weeks a year is an okay sacrifice for me knowing there's a lot of them there being exposed to racing for the first time.

Saratoga's success is hung-out like laundry... good racing, good fields, festive atmosphere, appeals to all ages/groups/levels... it's a powerful brand and experience.

the_fat_man 07-24-2009 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
Dealing with the throngs of people for a few weeks a year is an okay sacrifice for me knowing there's a lot of them there being exposed to racing for the first time.

Saratoga's success is hung-out like laundry... good racing, good fields, festive atmosphere, appeals to all ages/groups/levels... it's a powerful brand and experience.

This is all fine in a positive sense of looking at things but what does more people being introduced to the game do for someone who just wants to bet the horses? Someone who has no need to fight crowds, heat, and other annoyances just for the privilege of getting a bet in. Betting at home is here to stay. It's comfortable, cost effective, soothing for the psyche, etc.
Whether the targets (tracks) remain constant is neither here nor there, as there will always be targets -- even if we need to 'go' abroad for them. Do we really need these once a year types to show up so that we can feel good about the game?

SAR was 'IN' in the '70's and '80's.

Antitrust32 07-24-2009 12:53 PM

Giveaway days must remain. If NYRA gets rid of it they are stupid. So many more people show up at the track. Not all of them stay all day but a lot do.. it adds to the experience.

I know Chainsaw even plans his visits around giveaway weekends... they at least cant do this to chainsaw.

hockey2315 07-24-2009 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
This is all fine in a positive sense of looking at things but what does more people being introduced to the game do for someone who just wants to bet the horses? Someone who has no need to fight crowds, heat, and other annoyances just for the privilege of getting a bet in. Betting at home is here to stay. It's comfortable, cost effective, soothing for the psyche, etc.
Whether the targets (tracks) remain constant is neither here nor there, as there will always be targets -- even if we need to 'go' abroad for them. Do we really need these once a year types to show up so that we can feel good about the game?

SAR was 'IN' in the '70's and '80's.

Dead money?

parsixfarms 07-24-2009 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
SAR was 'IN' in the '70's and '80's.

There's a reason why the city's population has doubled in the past ten years, and Saratoga County is probably the only county in upstate NY that has thrived in recent years. Saratoga is still "IN."

parsixfarms 07-24-2009 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by pmacdaddy
Seems like the giveways really accomplish little. I know a lot more horseplayers that have stopped going on giveway days than I have ever heard someone say "I went for a free umbrella, now I'm hooked"...

Isn't that really the horseplayer's problem, or perhaps more appropriately, choice? If this is really a topic of discussion, the track can never win. If there's no one in attendance, people complain about that fact. And then if they have a good crowd, (self-absorbed) others complain that they were inconvenienced.

In the grand scheme of things, we're talking about four days of a 36-day meet, and as a lifelong Capital District resident, there's certainly more good will that comes from these days than ill.

Travis Stone 07-24-2009 01:46 PM

Complaints about a racetrack packed to the gills... interesting.

pmacdaddy 07-24-2009 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
Isn't that really the horseplayer's problem, or perhaps more appropriately, choice? If this is really a topic of discussion, the track can never win. If there's no one in attendance, people complain about that fact. And then if they have a good crowd, (self-absorbed) others complain that they were inconvenienced.

In the grand scheme of things, we're talking about four days of a 36-day meet, and as a lifelong Capital District resident, there's certainly more good will that comes from these days than ill.

Agree to disagree I guess.

Lived there the first 25 years of my life and always just thought it was kind of a waste and a pain in the ass. That being said, I'm going Sunday which is a giveaway day so I certainly don't let it bother me.

From my perspective I want a clean well kept Saratoga with strong handle and purses. Free T's pretty low on the list...

Antitrust32 07-24-2009 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
Complaints about a racetrack packed to the gills... interesting.


I know right. :zz:

philcski 07-24-2009 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
There's a reason why the city's population has doubled in the past ten years, and Saratoga County is probably the only county in upstate NY that has thrived in recent years. Saratoga is still "IN."

Very much correct. I know several people from my "home" in WNY that have moved recently to Saratoga County. It's such a wonderful place to visit and live, it's definitely still "in".

jballscalls 07-24-2009 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
Complaints about a racetrack packed to the gills... interesting.

does that surprise you?? LOL

I had a guy complain the other day about getting a free t shirt and a $20 dollar voucher for doing nothing but showing up. We horseplayers are the oddest breed of human there is, i'm convinced.


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