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John White........
did i hear that right, he thinks if Gomez opts. off POTN in favor of Dunkirk that he could be potentially opting off the next triple crown winner?:eek:
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yeah you got it right. he eats sleeps drinks POTN. BTW you have one of the best avatar and qoutes on the site.
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The derby can't come soon enough! :zz: :zz: :zz:
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Re-posting from the other thread:
:wf I hope Pioneerof the Nile finishes 21st in the Derby. |
Does John White ever stop to breathe when he is talking on the show?
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I guess you have to give him credit for taking a stand. It is one thing predicting a Derby winner in March, but he is going on record that the colt can win the Triple Crown.
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can the west coast horses all finish in the lower half of the derby field? :wf
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Steve,
We need the Sirius radio to scroll "Pioneerof the Nile" on the display while John is talking next week. It's starting to remind me of those "Subliminal Man" skits on Saturday Night Live: "I'd like to make a bet"-Pioneerof the Nile -" on the Derby" -Pioneerof the Nile -"Wow, 20 horses?" -Pioneerof the Nile -"Who's giving me good odds"-Pioneerof the Nile... All in fun buddy. Love the show. :) Joe |
I always heard john say "the last horse to win the derby without racing at 2 was Apollo back in 1882." I have tried to find how how many horses have actually raced in the derby without running a race at 2 years old.
I have to assume this sample size is rather small, but does anyone have the research for this? |
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I think I read somewhere that 44 have tried. I am sure that someone can give you specifics |
I think John White should change his name to John of the Nile...I just finished listening to Tuesday's show and I have to preface my upcoming comment by saying I enjoy John's segment every week, but this last month is painful to listen to. In some way he compares every single horse or scenario to Pioneer of the Nile. Please John, you are beating this poor horse to death. Steve wants to talk Arkansas Derby, he ends up on POTN, Steve wants to talk Bluegrass, he ends of on POTN. We get it John, please next week, I am challenging you to make it through your segment without talking about or comparing horses to POTN. I also have a question of how not racing over a dirt track is not a "strike" against POTN???? Doesn't make sense...
Steve, next Tuesday for Thoroughbred Legacy I think Bob should feature POTN's career... John, I love ya, but you are sounding like a broken record every week, there are at least 19 other horses that can be discussed with thorough detail without talking about POTN. All I am asking is for one week... |
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History of Prep races for the KY derby winners
Found this
Prep Races ‹ Pre-Derby CampaignsupSires ›Listed below are some prominent Kentucky Derby prep races and the results of eventual Derby winners who ran in them. Arkansas Derby 2004 Smarty Jones 1st 1996 Grindstone 2nd 1992 Lil E. Tee 2nd 1983 Sunny's Halo 1st Blue Grass 1995 Thunder Gulch UNP 1993 Sea Hero UNP 1991 Strike the Gold 1st 1990 Unbridled 3rd 1987 Alysheba 3rd* 1979 Spectacular Bid 1st 1972 Riva Ridge 1st 1970 Dust Commander 1st 1968 Forward Pass 1st 1967 Proud Clarion 2nd 1965 Lucky Debonair 1st 1964 Northern Dancer 1st 1963 Chateaugay 1st 1962 Decidedly 2nd 1959 Tomy Lee 1st 1942 Shut Out 1st 1941 Whirlaway 2nd 1926 Bubbling Over 1st 1921 Behave Yourself 2nd 1913 Donerail 2nd 1911 Meridian 2nd 1903 Judge Himes 3rd Flamingo 1979 Spectacular Bid 1st 1977 Seattle Slew 1st 1975 Foolish Pleasure 1st 1974 Cannonade UNP 1968 Forward Pass UNP 1964 Northern Dancer 1st 1961 Carry Back 1st 1958 Tim Tam 1st 1957 Iron Liege 3rd 1956 Needles 1st 1951 Count Turf UNP 1948 Citation 1st 1938 Lawrin 1st Florida Derby 2001 Monarchos 1st 1995 Thunder Gulch 1st 1994 Go for Gin UNP 1991 Strike the Gold 2nd 1990 Unbridled 1st 1984 Swale 1st 1981 Pleasant Colony UNP 1979 Spectacular Bid 1st 1975 Foolish Pleasure 3rd 1974 Cannonade 2nd 1968 Forward Pass 1st 1966 Kauai King UNP 1964 Northern Dancer 1st 1961 Carry Back 1st 1960 Venetian Way 2nd 1958 Tim Tam 1st 1957 Iron Liege 3rd 1956 Needles 1st 1953 Dark Star UNP Fountain of Youth 1995 Thunder Gulch 1st 1994 Go for Gin 2nd 1990 Unbridled 3rd 1984 Swale 3rd 1981 Pleasant Colony 2nd 1979 Spectacular Bid 1st 1968 Forward Pass UNP** 1966 Kauai King 1st 1961 Carry Back 3rd 1958 Tim Tam 1st Gotham 1973 Secretariat 1st Illinois Derby 2002 War Emblem 1st Hutcheson 1984 Swale 1st 1979 Spectacular Bid 1st 1966 Kauai King 2nd Jim Beam 1992 Lil E. Tee 1st Lexington 1999 Charismatic 1st Louisiana Derby 2003 Funny Cide 3rd 1996 Grindstone 1st 1924 Black Gold 1st Rebel 1983 Sunny's Halo 1st San Felipe 2000 Fusaichi Pegasus 1st 1998 Real Quiet 2nd 1997 Silver Charm 2nd 1989 Sunday Silence 1st 1987 Alysheba 2nd 1978 Affirmed 1st 1965 Lucky Debonair 2nd 1959 Tomy Lee 2nd 1954 Determine 1st 1947 Jet Pilot UNP Santa Anita Derby 2005 Giacomo 4th 1998 Real Quiet 2nd 1997 Silver Charm 2nd 1989 Sunday Silence 1st 1988 Winning Colors 1st 1986 Ferdinand 3rd 1982 Gato Del Sol UNP 1978 Affirmed 1st 1969 Majestic Prince 1st 1965 Lucky Debonair 1st 1955 Swaps 1st 1954 Determine 1st 1952 Hill Gail 1st 1940 Gallahadion UNP San Vicente 1997 Silver Charm 1st 1976 Bold Forbes 3rd 1969 Majestic Prince 1st 1965 Lucky Debonair 1st 1959 Tomy Lee 2nd 1955 Swaps 1st 1954 Determine 2nd 1952 Hill Gail 1st 1940 Gallahadion 1st Wood Memorial 2003 Funny Cide 2nd 2001 Monarchos 2nd 2000 Fusaichi Pegasus 1st 1994 Go for Gin 2nd 1981 Pleasant Colony 1st 1980 Genuine Risk 3rd 1977 Seattle Slew 1st 1976 Bold Forbes 1st 1975 Foolish Pleasure 1st 1973 Secretariat 3rd 1961 Carry Back 2nd 1951 Count Turf UNP 1950 Middleground 2nd 1946 Assault 1st 1945 Hoop Jr. 1st 1943 Count Fleet 1st 1939 Johnstown 1st 1935 Omaha 3rd 1931 Twenty Grand 1st 1930 Gallant Fox 1st MAIDEN WINNERS Buchanan (1884), Sir Barton (1919) Brokers Tip (1933) *Alysheba finished first in the 1987 Bluegrass but was disqualified and placed third. **Forward Pass finished 2nd in the 1968 Fountain of Youth but was placed last. |
Apollo 1892
According to Wickpedia
Derby participants are limited to three-year-old horses. No horse since Apollo in 1882 has won the Derby without racing at age two Oh well |
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I have to also say that I love Steve Haskin's sarcasm during yesterdays show. He made numerous comments poking fun at John White's love of POTN.
I would still like someone to answer me on how the heck POTN does not get a strike in his system for never running on dirt????? Also here is another strike for POTN...no horse have ever won the Derby that has a name that has 4 words...(Pioneer of the Nile)...not even since Apollo in 1882...lol |
It's a bit like beastiality without the penetration...
I do really like him on the show POTN obsession aside. |
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and i've said i think he's right and we might see a west coast triple in derby. just my opinion. good-luck to you on derby day |
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