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ateamstupid 07-26-2008 04:53 PM

Commentator > First Defence
 
Go easy on me Andy. ;)

Coach Pants 07-26-2008 04:54 PM

Fine effort by Commentator to overcome the training job by Zito.

;) :tro:

hoovesupsideyourhead 07-26-2008 07:06 PM

not taking anything away from commentator..but it just shows how sad the horses are in this year....great job by commentator /zito knowing the rail,the speed, the lack of talent.. means a 7 year old wins the whitney..:tro: :rolleyes:

largo1 07-26-2008 09:48 PM

Is Commentator a gelding? I didn't think he was, but now I'm thinking he must be. Can't find any mention of it online.

Suzanne

hockey2315 07-26-2008 09:49 PM

Yes, he's a gelding.

The Indomitable DrugS 07-26-2008 10:41 PM

Distorted Humor has somehow become a great big route race stallion.

Hystericalady just embarassed the field going 10fs in the $1 million Del Cap

Commentator has two Whitneys.

Funny Cide has a Derby and Preakness

Any Given Saturday has a Haskell score over Curlin and Hard Spun

Flower Alley has a Travers win and a 2nd in the BC Classic.

declansharbor 07-26-2008 11:37 PM

Threadjack Alert...

Not sure if it was mentioned elsewheres, but is there any update on Rising Moon after being vanned off with a left front leg injury??

Thx in advance.

Indian Charlie 07-27-2008 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by declansharbor
Threadjack Alert...

Not sure if it was mentioned elsewheres, but is there any update on Rising Moon after being vanned off with a left front leg injury??

Thx in advance.

It was either the jockey or a thrown shoe.

miraja2 07-27-2008 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Distorted Humor has somehow become a great big route race stallion.

Hystericalady just embarassed the field going 10fs in the $1 million Del Cap

Commentator has two Whitneys.

Funny Cide has a Derby and Preakness

Any Given Saturday has a Haskell score over Curlin and Hard Spun

Flower Alley has a Travers win and a 2nd in the BC Classic.

Two Questions:
1) Do you think the fact that he won a race named the Salvator Mile is what gave him that extra something special to be a great sire?

2) Do all of those big victories by his progeny make up for the fact that he also is the one responsible for the creation of Cowtown Cat?

ArlJim78 07-27-2008 11:04 AM

preliminary beyer for Commentator - 120:eek:

XIIPointStables 07-27-2008 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlJim78
preliminary beyer for Commentator - 120:eek:

Wow. Has there been a 120 in the last five years? Didn't Lawyer Ron get a monster Beyer in the same race last year before it was adjusted down?

hockey2315 07-27-2008 11:29 AM

That's not his top - he ran a 123 in the last Whitney. Ghostzapper also ran faster and probably a few others that I can't think of.

dalakhani 07-27-2008 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XIIPointStables
Wow. Has there been a 120 in the last five years? Didn't Lawyer Ron get a monster Beyer in the same race last year before it was adjusted down?

That is the most skeptical 120 fig since Midway Road's.

The Indomitable DrugS 07-27-2008 11:44 AM

Because the wildly overrated Ginger Punch, and the complete bums she beat, went so slow - it makes it almost impossible to not have the Whitney in the 116-to-120 range without cutting races loose and making hack redboard style of figures.

Quiet Chris 07-27-2008 12:28 PM

The 120 beyer would be believable if it didn't mean Student Council ran a 112. No way that horse is running a 112.

Indian Charlie 07-27-2008 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
The 120 beyer would be believable if it didn't mean Student Council ran a 112. No way that horse is running a 112.

I can think of a couple of hundred races that I'd expect to get a 120 before the Whitney.

Probably thousands before a 112 that Student Council got.

cmorioles 07-27-2008 01:37 PM

Would anybody really be surprised that an Asmussen suddenly ran a huge race?

Dunbar 07-27-2008 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Because the wildly overrated Ginger Punch, and the complete bums she beat, went so slow - it makes it almost impossible to not have the Whitney in the 116-to-120 range without cutting races loose and making hack redboard style of figures.

Even if you cut this race looose, it would be hard to give Commentator much less than something in the 116-120 range. The 3rd place horse finished 13 lengths behind. That's about 20 Beyer pts. If Commentator is given a 116, then horses 3-11 get 96 or less. But every one of those 9 horses except Cowton Cat and Notional had run at least a 97 BSF in 2 of its last 3 races, and Notional came into the race off a 109 BSF. To give Commentator less than 116 would mean that the 9 horses behind Student Council had regressed off recent form.

--Dunbar

hockey2315 07-27-2008 01:40 PM

But it's not like Student Council was a new acquisition or a young horse.

cmorioles 07-27-2008 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
But it's not like Student Council was a new acquisition or a young horse.

It is his first try on fast dirt with Asmussen.


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