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alphanumeric1 07-02-2008 07:17 PM

Saratoga Wagering Menu Changed (a little bit)
 
New this year will be rolling daily doubles (the wager will be offered pending approval by the New York State Racing and Wagering Board.). :)

I am glad to see this bet added to the menu at the Spa. This made me wonder what bets you find yourself playing the most and why?

For me , I am a big fan of the picks 3 and 4 but from an economic standpoint, the takeout makes the double and exacta better values (17.5%). WPS remain at 14% but I love multi-race wagers.

blackthroatedwind 07-02-2008 07:40 PM

Actually, because of dispersal, it is relatively the same to bet a double at 17.5% as it is to bet a Pick-3 at 25%. The Pick-4, at 25%, is the best of the three choices.

VOL JACK 07-02-2008 09:03 PM

Im still trying to show a profit with my win bets.

Very good way to see who is going to take action the next race, at least it is at CD. i.e the R Nicks firster today. Took tons of action in the DD they came on the board at 1-1 and stayed there until the Assmu took all the late $$, the Nicks ended up paying $8.40

ateamstupid 07-02-2008 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Actually, because of dispersal, it is relatively the same to bet a double at 17.5% as it is to bet a Pick-3 at 25%. The Pick-4, at 25%, is the best of the three choices.

Was going to say that as well. The Pick 4 and Pick 6 are actually the best value in terms of takeout in multi-race wagers.

jcs11204 07-02-2008 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Was going to say that as well. The Pick 4 and Pick 6 are actually the best value in terms of takeout in multi-race wagers.

ok this might sound crazy, and maybe its not even the place to ask this, but i have a question !

the guy above said he is still trying to have a positive return on his win bets, depending on how you look at it, cant you actually make more money and have a better ROI, playing pick 3 and 4 then you would have, by making just win bets. when you make a win bet you bet 1 horse, when you play pick 3 and 4, you can go as many deep as you wish, therefore isen't it almost easier to cash a pick 3 or 4 ?

VOL JACK 07-02-2008 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
ok this might sound crazy, and maybe its not even the place to ask this, but i have a question !

the guy above said he is still trying to have a positive return on his win bets, depending on how you look at it, cant you actually make more money and have a better ROI, playing pick 3 and 4 then you would have, by making just win bets. when you make a win bet you bet 1 horse, when you play pick 3 and 4, you can go as many deep as you wish, therefore isen't it almost easier to cash a pick 3 or 4 ?

Im honored you refer to me now as "the guy above".
I read in one of DRF books that Andy is in, 'if you cant make a profit betting to win you are gonna have a hard time making money in exotics.' I think it was six secrets of successful bettors/
I think it boils down to betting too many races, being a once-twice a week guy without an internet acct. I'll usually play 90% of the races at Bel and CD, such as today.

jcs11204 07-02-2008 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK
Im honored you refer to me now as "the guy above".
I read in one of DRF books that Andy is in, 'if you cant make a profit betting to win you are gonna have a hard time making money in exotics.' I think it was six secrets of successful bettors/
I think it boils down to betting too many races, being a once-twice a week guy without an internet acct. I'll usually play 90% of the races at Bel and CD, such as today.

im sorry JACK, but i disagree, i seem to struggle when it comes to picking 1 horse to win a race, but i can put in a 2-2-2 pick 3 and do well, or a 3-3-2-2 pick 4 and hit for almost 10k, and a lot of ppl would not even consider that going deep, so its not like you can say im just tossing any or all horses in, i used to go to the track or otb and only make win/place bets, now 95% of my bets are pick 3 and 4

VOL JACK 07-02-2008 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
im sorry JACK, but i disagree, i seem to struggle when it comes to picking 1 horse to win a race, but i can put in a 2-2-2 pick 3 and do well, or a 3-3-2-2 pick 4 and hit for almost 10k, and a lot of ppl would not even consider that going deep, so its not like you can say im just tossing any or all horses in, i used to go to the track or otb and only make win/place bets, now 95% of my bets are pick 3 and 4

Thats the fun thing about the game I guess, there are many ways make a score. However, I disagree with your approach but if you are cashing for ten k, carry-on.

jcs11204 07-02-2008 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK
Thats the fun thing about the game I guess, there are many ways make a score. However, I disagree with your approach but if you are cashing for ten k, carry-on.

would you ever bet more then 1 horse to win in a race ?

VOL JACK 07-02-2008 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
would you ever bet more then 1 horse to win in a race ?

Very rarely will I 'dutch' a race. I have bet 80 to win on my top choice at say 5-1, then maybe put 20 on a bomb that I like. The last time I remember doing that was haskell day at Mon park last year, when they ran 1-2 for a sweet exacta.

jcs11204 07-02-2008 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK
Very rarely will I 'dutch' a race. I have bet 80 to win on my top choice at say 5-1, then maybe put 20 on a bomb that I like. The last time I remember doing that was haskell day at Mon park last year, when they ran 1-2 for a sweet exacta.

see, i would never ever consider betting 2 horses to win, i would feel like i was betting against myself....also you cant make money betting 1-1 or 4-5 shots to win, but keying in a pick 3 or 4 and catching a price with it, you then can make money

VOL JACK 07-02-2008 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
see, i would never ever consider betting 2 horses to win, i would feel like i was betting against myself....also you cant make money betting 1-1 or 4-5 shots to win, but keying in a pick 3 or 4 and catching a price with it, you then can make money

I dont usually bet odds-on horses, but I hate passing up a win bet on a horse I really like and miss in a leg where I didnt have as strong of an opinion.

Rudeboyelvis 07-03-2008 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
see, i would never ever consider betting 2 horses to win, i would feel like i was betting against myself....also you cant make money betting 1-1 or 4-5 shots to win, but keying in a pick 3 or 4 and catching a price with it, you then can make money

How is that different than using 2-3 horses in a leg of a horizontal wager? You are, to quote you, technically "betting against yourself" if you dont go 1-1-1-1 in a P4

10 pnt move up 07-03-2008 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Actually, because of dispersal, it is relatively the same to bet a double at 17.5% as it is to bet a Pick-3 at 25%. The Pick-4, at 25%, is the best of the three choices.


25%...man that is just criminal

SniperSB23 07-03-2008 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
25%...man that is just criminal

Yeah, especially compared to the 60% takeout for the lotto.

ateamstupid 07-03-2008 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
25%...man that is just criminal

:rolleyes: Did you read any of what you quoted?

blackthroatedwind 07-03-2008 10:04 AM

He's joking.

parsixfarms 07-03-2008 10:08 AM

Any idea what they are doing with supers this year? I read one story in which it seemed that they were only going to have a super on the 9th race. Is this correct? What about dime supers as well?

alphanumeric1 07-03-2008 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
Any idea what they are doing with supers this year? I read one story in which it seemed that they were only going to have a super on the 9th race. Is this correct? What about dime supers as well?

From the NYRA Web Site:
Straight bets (win, place and show), exactas and trifectas will be offered on every race, when possible. Rolling Pick 3s will be offered on races 1-7 on nine-race cards; 1-8 on 10-race cards. Pick 4s will be offered, beginning with race 2 and with race 6 on nine-race cards; race 2 and race 7 on 10-race cards. Additionally, there will be one Grand Slam wager per card. This bet is offered on the race following the start of the Pick 6.

Superfectas will be offered on the final race of the day.


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