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Indian Charlie 06-29-2008 07:43 PM

Very impressive 2yo at HP
 
S.S. Stone, in the 9th at HP today.

Well worth watching.

He's a smallish son of birdstone that cost 160k and won in 103.77. I really like the way he extended himself once he pushed through that hole.

XIIPointStables 06-29-2008 07:47 PM

Finished great! To do it up the rail like that first time is pretty rare no?

jcs11204 06-29-2008 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
S.S. Stone, in the 9th at HP today.

Well worth watching.

He's a smallish son of birdstone that cost 160k and won in 103.77. I really like the way he extended himself once he pushed through that hole.

my friend said the street cry ran huge for third.... i did not see it ?

Indian Charlie 06-29-2008 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
my friend said the street cry ran huge for third.... i did not see it ?


The outside horse out of the full to Ashado looked home free. The winner ran a monster race.

I didn't notice much about the third horse other than he was maybe in last early on.

10 pnt move up 06-29-2008 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
S.S. Stone, in the 9th at HP today.

Well worth watching.

He's a smallish son of birdstone that cost 160k and won in 103.77. I really like the way he extended himself once he pushed through that hole.

I think the runner up is a better horse and started to pull himself up.

The Indomitable DrugS 06-29-2008 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
S.S. Stone, in the 9th at HP today.

Well worth watching.

He's a smallish son of birdstone that cost 160k and won in 103.77. I really like the way he extended himself once he pushed through that hole.

Where did you come up with 160K from?

He was a 135K yearling that RNA'd for 300K at FT Feb.

Surprised he didn't go to Nick Zito. As he's owned by LePenta and Zito obviously trained the sire Birdstone.

SCUDSBROTHER 06-29-2008 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
my friend said the street cry ran huge for third.... i did not see it ?

Yes, poor start, but nice move off the turn from way back. Big stride. A nice horse, but very green.

jcs11204 06-29-2008 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Yes, poor start, but nice move off the turn from way back. Big stride. A nice horse, but very green.

thank you, im going to go watch the replay now.

hockey2315 06-29-2008 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Surprised he didn't go to Nick Zito. As he's owned by LePenta and Zito obviously trained the sire Birdstone.

That is strange - bred by Marylou Whitney, too. I didn't even realize that LaPenta had horses stabled out there.

Indian Charlie 06-29-2008 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Where did you come up with 160K from?

He was a 135K yearling that RNA'd for 300K at FT Feb.

Surprised he didn't go to Nick Zito. As he's owned by LePenta and Zito obviously trained the sire Birdstone.

Yup, 135k. I was being inundated with PIP bets for the day and my brain froze.

GPK 06-29-2008 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
The outside horse out of the full to Ashado looked home free. The winner ran a monster race.

I didn't notice much about the third horse other than he was maybe in last early on.


Speightstown baby, right? Any early number on his babies? That one looked home free for sure.

eajinabi 06-29-2008 10:01 PM

I hate giving labels on horses who win FT impressively. I will determine after 3-4 races afterm if the horse is the real deal. We saw a flop in Mr. Mistofelees as the 1-5 fav.

The next time SS STONE runs I am betting against cause he is going to be way overbet. If O'neil is smart I would put this horse in an ALW NX1 next out instead in 2 yo Stakes.

jcs11204 06-29-2008 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by eajinabi
I hate giving labels on horses who win FT impressively. I will determine after 3-4 races afterm if the horse is the real deal. We saw a flop in Mr. Mistofelees as the 1-5 fav.

The next time SS STONE runs I am betting against cause he is going to be way overbet. If O'neil is smart I would put this horse in an ALW NX1 next out instead in 2 yo Stakes.

ss stone was ok, the leader kinda quit allowing ss stone to surge and get up...
i am intigued by the third place finisher, def. now awesome like my friend said, but he made up a ton of ground, should love the stretchout

eajinabi 06-29-2008 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
ss stone was ok, the leader kinda quit allowing ss stone to surge and get up...
i am intigued by the third place finisher, def. now awesome like my friend said, but he made up a ton of ground, should love the stretchout

LOL! The third place finisher will be a plodder. Yes he ran a fast third but did you see how much espimiza was pushing him? He responded but he is another bet against for me next out.

RolloTomasi 06-29-2008 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by eajinabi
The next time SS STONE runs I am betting against cause he is going to be way overbet. If O'neil is smart I would put this horse in an ALW NX1 next out instead in 2 yo Stakes.

I'm not sure if they even bother writing first condition allowance races for 2yos in SoCal anymore.

Depending on the scheduling, he'll show up next in either the Hollywood Juvenile or Best Pal or both...

The overbet horse next out will be Street Hero...if he shows up in another maiden...given his trainer, he may show up in a stakes as well...

RolloTomasi 06-29-2008 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
ss stone was ok, the leader kinda quit allowing ss stone to surge and get up...
i am intigued by the third place finisher, def. now awesome like my friend said, but he made up a ton of ground, should love the stretchout

Be wary of debuters that break slow. He may break much sharper next time, and be very close to the pace. Given his bullet works (a 3f in :33+ even!), he could have some front-running ability. You may actually see him tire down the lane next out.

As far as the quality of the field, a good barometer (and actually an example of what I mentioned above) is Nochangenweather, who was 4th beaten 4 lengths after rallying smartly around the far turn before entering the stretch very wide and hanging down the lane. He ran similarly in his debut, finishing 5th beaten 3 by some other O'Neill horse. Next out, he broke running and was gunned to the lead where he set testing fractions, got away from a pace rival into the stretch before hitting a brick wall and again finished 5th beaten 3. I forget who won that race, but obviously, none of the colts from those maiden races have done anything to suggest they are a standout amongst the CA division. That Pete Miller horse that won the little stakes race probably still has to be considered the top.

wac 06-29-2008 10:52 PM

I saw the race as well and was impressed wiht the winner, showed a nice burst of acceleration it looked like esp being down on the rail Pretty goodshow for a 1st out i think.

SCUDSBROTHER 06-29-2008 11:10 PM

Track didn't favor that kind of move (that Street Hero made.) That's exactly the way Street Boss looked last year on days that didn't favor deep stuff. Then he started laying closer to the lead, and that's what made him so improved(he made the same big move, but from closer up.) The track favored the horses who finished top 2 in the last. It seemed to favor stuff just off the front today. Like the winner of the last did.Street Hero showed too much talent to say he won't be good. He is good. It's gunna come down to whether somebody wants to make an offer to these people. If a top trainer gets him, then he could be really nice. With these connections, he will be allowance, or nibble in stakes. The guy training him just can't get it done in big spots. Maybe he doesn't cheat etc., and almost all the other top trainers out here do. I would never play the trainer at less than 10-1. Hope they sell him.

Indian Charlie 06-29-2008 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by eajinabi
I hate giving labels on horses who win FT impressively. I will determine after 3-4 races afterm if the horse is the real deal. We saw a flop in Mr. Mistofelees as the 1-5 fav.

The next time SS STONE runs I am betting against cause he is going to be way overbet. If O'neil is smart I would put this horse in an ALW NX1 next out instead in 2 yo Stakes.

Since when is 'impressive' that burdensome of a label?

It's not like I proclaimed him the next Bernardini that's going to win the BC Juvi then sweep the triple crown.

Indian Charlie 06-29-2008 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
ss stone was ok, the leader kinda quit allowing ss stone to surge and get up...
i am intigued by the third place finisher, def. now awesome like my friend said, but he made up a ton of ground, should love the stretchout

The leader quit?

After going like five wide, he ran the 5th furlong in 11 and change and then spit the bit, coming home in a paltry 6 or 6.1.

That wasn't exactly glacial.


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