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Bogey 06-18-2008 11:30 PM

Thurs - AP R1 & Late PK4
 
Arlington Park

R1

#6 Triumphal - Win Bet

R5

#1 High Approval (IRE)
#2 Sol a Pino

R6

#6 Manchu Prince
#4 Biachampion
#8 Luga

R7

#4 Gangbuster
#2 Holy Go
#8 Texas Fever

R8

#9 Saratoga Breeze
#4 Call Doctor G
#11 Applesolutely Wild
#10 Cricket's Legend

PK4 - 1 2 / 4 6 8 / 2 4 8 / 4 9 10 11 = $72

Good Racing Luck

miraja2 06-19-2008 06:51 AM

Pick-3

Race 4
It is difficult for me to separate my top three here, as I think they will all probably appreciate the 9f. I don't typically like 3yos facing older, but the recent works make the #5 my top pick.
5 - Strait of Mewsina
6 - Ravensworth
4 - Stumbling Block edit: scratch
2 - Alabama Gold - used instead

Race 5
It could all be over quickly if my single here forgets to get going at the break, as this horse seems to do. His strong finish in his last has me convinced, and while I rarely single on the turf, I think he gets it done here.
2 - Sol a Pino

Race 6
I am assuming that many will single the Catalno here, and another big form reversal from that barn is certainly possible. However, many of these seem comparable to that one, including the outside horse who I think could win this at a big price.
8 - Luga
6 - Manchu Prince
4 - Biachampion
9 - Hail Victory

2,5,6 / 2 / 4,6,8,9

Scav 06-19-2008 09:30 AM

I think the 4 is very interesting in Race 5. Don't really know what to think about some of the others, although the 2 is getting an ultimate jock change (Geroux to Douglas). Stidham's horse ran a deceptively good race last time and this 8 was millimeter away from not being in this race last time.

The 4 (Whywhy Cat) has been off since Derby Saturday, has been working well over the Arlington poly, and should appreciate the grass being out of Whywhywhy out of a Storm Cat mare. His poly 'number' was very strong and if he duplicates that here, he could be real tough

In playing this horse, I am banking on the Riggs going to the lead, with Razo being a moron and pressing him, and the smartest jock ever Jesse Campbell being right behind him, in a somewhat fast pace, setting up the race for a closer.

gales0678 06-19-2008 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogey
Arlington Park

R1

#6 Triumphal - Win Bet

R5

#1 High Approval (IRE)
#2 Sol a Pino

R6

#6 Manchu Prince
#4 Biachampion
#8 Luga

R7

#4 Gangbuster
#2 Holy Go
#8 Texas Fever

R8

#9 Saratoga Breeze
#4 Call Doctor G
#11 Applesolutely Wild
#10 Cricket's Legend

PK4 - 1 2 / 4 6 8 / 3 4 8 / 4 9 10 11 = $72

Good Racing Luck

gus leg 3 - should it be 2,4,8?

Scav 06-19-2008 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gales0678
gus leg 3 - should it be 2,4,8?

yes

Just saw that you called, PM me

Scav 06-19-2008 09:37 AM

Also, in the 4th race, while I think Rivelli's horse is the one to beat, these 9f races at Arlington are often jock races, and while I don't really want to say this, Ferrer often rides these kind of races well. There is ZERO pace in this race, and Ferrer is going to push early and get that rail, and slow it down. This horse isn't going to go 48'2 and 111'4 this time, I am thinking more like 50 and 114. He gets those fractions, he might be hard to catch coming down the lane.

Ok, I can't believe I touted a Tomillo horse :)

dellinger63 06-19-2008 10:57 AM

Did they scratch Inner Light out of the 7th?

At first glance this pic 4 looked easy with Mr. D's horse a single at the end but after a closer look and carryover this is going to be a large ticket for me.

1,2,3,4/2,6,8,9/4,7,8/9,11 $96 and a $4 win on the 4 in the 8th as a backup

Arlington Season Pic 4's
Total Bet / Return
$408.00 $395.40 -12.60

Scav 06-19-2008 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63
Did they scratch Inner Light out of the 7th?

At first glance this pic 4 looked easy with Mr. D's horse a single at the end but after a closer look and carryover this is going to be a large ticket for me.

1,2,3,4/2,6,8,9/4,7,8/9,11 $96 and a $4 win on the 4 in the 8th as a backup

Arlington Season Pic 4's
Total Bet / Return
$408.00 $395.40 -12.60

They did not scratch Inner Light, but full scratchs aren't up yet....

dellinger63 06-19-2008 11:17 AM

Just got the 3 in the first 4 in the 4rth, 7 in the 5th and 5 in the 7th as scratches

Bogey 06-19-2008 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
Also, in the 4th race, while I think Rivelli's horse is the one to beat, these 9f races at Arlington are often jock races, and while I don't really want to say this, Ferrer often rides these kind of races well. There is ZERO pace in this race, and Ferrer is going to push early and get that rail, and slow it down. This horse isn't going to go 48'2 and 111'4 this time, I am thinking more like 50 and 114. He gets those fractions, he might be hard to catch coming down the lane.

Ok, I can't believe I touted a Tomillo horse :)

I strongly agree. Choke em did it with Bachicho a couple of Fridays ago at a nice price.

Thanks Gales for the heads up.

miraja2 06-19-2008 11:37 AM

All I know is that I'm not playing much today, and skipping tomorrow altogether.
I'm gearing up for what I hope will be a big Saturday (one of my favorite days of the meet). I just started going over the PPs, and I think the Springfield looks like an especially good betting race this year.

Scav 06-19-2008 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2
All I know is that I'm not playing much today, and skipping tomorrow altogether.
I'm gearing up for what I hope will be a big Saturday (one of my favorite days of the meet). I just started going over the PPs, and I think the Springfield looks like an especially good betting race this year.

Dynamic Wayne is the only horse that can win that race and Gentleman Chester is going to get a perfect trip

Scav 06-19-2008 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogey
I strongly agree. Choke em did it with Bachicho a couple of Fridays ago at a nice price.

Thanks Gales for the heads up.

I just watched that replay and I have to say that I am even more impressed now, the 7 pressed this horse the whole time, in what was a very quick 8.5 race. What people have failed to realize in the times for these 8.5 that the first 1/4 is run into a turn, thus a little bit slower, so 25'3 is about average.

dellinger63 06-19-2008 11:48 AM

Taylor Mad is in Sat but so is Pretty Jenny:eek:

Scav 06-19-2008 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63
Taylor Mad is in Sat but so is Pretty Jenny:eek:

Yeah I saw that, unfortunetly I think she has zero shot at winning. Hopefully I am wrong. I like Block's horse alot in that race.

He might win 5 races on Saturday.

miraja2 06-19-2008 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
Dynamic Wayne is the only horse that can win that race

I'm not so sure about that. Of course, I bet against him a few weeks ago here as well and he beat me, but I'm still just not sold sold on this horse.
To me, the Granitz/Razo colt, and especially the Williamson/Emigh colt look very live there. The Williamson colt will probably be in the 8/1 - 10/1 range because he didn't do anything in his last and his one try on the poly was poor, but I have to assume that he just didn't like the yielding turf and he got caught wide at Turfway. His April race at Hawthorne seems more impressive than any race Dynamic Wayne has ever run, but his odds could easily be four times that one on the board. I think he's the value.

Scav 06-19-2008 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2
I'm not so sure about that. Of course, I bet against him a few weeks ago here as well and he beat me, but I'm still just not sold sold on this horse.
To me, the Granitz/Razo colt, and especially the Williamson/Emigh colt look very live there. The Williamson colt will probably be in the 8/1 - 10/1 range because he didn't do anything in his last and his one try on the poly was poor, but I have to assume that he just didn't like the yielding turf and he got caught wide at Turfway. His April race at Hawthorne seems more impressive than any race Dynamic Wayne has ever run, but his odds could easily be four times that one on the board. I think he's the value.

if the speed stays he is going to get a great 'poly' trip, meaning he will be 5w and just swoop by. That horse WON last time while he was virtually stopped at the screen, for him to come back and win, that is monsterous. I was right next to Bennett when it happened too, he couldn't believe the horse won. The thing that concerns me is the fact that the horse worked 34 flat two days ago, that is borderline insane, my guess is that it had to be raining that day.....

miraja2 06-19-2008 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
if the speed stays he is going to get a great 'poly' trip, meaning he will be 5w and just swoop by. That horse WON last time while he was virtually stopped at the screen, for him to come back and win, that is monsterous. I was right next to Bennett when it happened too, he couldn't believe the horse won. The thing that concerns me is the fact that the horse worked 34 flat two days ago, that is borderline insane, my guess is that it had to be raining that day.....

Rain or no rain, that work is a little crazy. And speaking of working fast, the day before D. Wayne's work, the horse just inside of him (River Bear) worked 4f in 46.4 (1/57).

You are probably right about D. Wayne. His last race WAS pretty impressive, and Bennett is having a hell of a year. I guess the board will determine exactly what I do here, but if he is in the neighborhood of 2/1, I'm still going to look elsewhere. I'm just not convinced he will turn out to be much better than Mr. Mischief or Best Buddy going 8f on the poly, and they figure to be much longer odds.

Scav 06-19-2008 03:31 PM

Late P4
5: 1,2,4
6: 6,8
7: 4,6,7,8
8: 11

Scav 06-19-2008 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2
Rain or no rain, that work is a little crazy. And speaking of working fast, the day before D. Wayne's work, the horse just inside of him (River Bear) worked 4f in 46.4 (1/57).

You are probably right about D. Wayne. His last race WAS pretty impressive, and Bennett is having a hell of a year. I guess the board will determine exactly what I do here, but if he is in the neighborhood of 2/1, I'm still going to look elsewhere. I'm just not convinced he will turn out to be much better than Mr. Mischief or Best Buddy going 8f on the poly, and they figure to be much longer odds.

Mr. Mischief will not be much longer after running 3rd in that stakes race...


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