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ceejay 05-22-2008 12:54 PM

NYC-OTB may force NY takeout increase
 
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negotiators are considering a raise in the minimum takeout on bets, which state officials say would help to make up for the loss of money from the NYCOTB to the various racing industry groups.
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One idea being negotiated would raise the takeouts on bets in New York handled by NYRA, Finger Lakes racetrack, and the OTBs. It would set a new takeout floor, which currently is 14% for one horse bets; that level would be raised to 16.5%. On multiple bets, the legal takeout floor would go from 17% to 19%, according to one document.
http://news.bloodhorse.com/article/45341.htm
Outrageous, IMHO.

10 pnt move up 05-22-2008 12:57 PM

lovely, 2.5% tax increase

ateamstupid 05-22-2008 12:58 PM

Once again, bettors get the shaft for the incompetence and blunders of others. The NYCOTB is losing money because of its own stupidity and irrelevance, yet we're the ones who are asked to bail them out? I've sworn off the OTB because I refuse to pay the outrageous 6% on my winning wagers, and this just makes me more steadfast.

ShadowRoll 05-22-2008 01:11 PM

Stinks. Being stuck with the insanely high takeout rates in Pennsylvania and Delaware, I've always enjoy going up to the NY tracks with their lower rates. It'll still be lower than PA and DE, but certainly detracts from some of the reasons for traveling all the way to NY to gamble. Figuring the cost of gas, might as stay home.

pgiaco 05-22-2008 01:19 PM

Gotta love NYC and NY State, let others pay for their own incompetence.

ateamstupid 05-22-2008 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pgiaco
Gotta love NYC and NY State, let others pay for their own incompetence.

It sucks, because the product is consistently the best in the country. But the takeout can only get so high before I say "enough's enough".

Bobby Fischer 05-22-2008 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Once again, bettors get the shaft for the incompetence and blunders of others. The NYCOTB is losing money because of its own stupidity and irrelevance, yet we're the ones who are asked to bail them out? I've sworn off the OTB because I refuse to pay the outrageous 6% on my winning wagers, and this just makes me more steadfast.


Yes. As a player who likes to occasionally dabble in the show pool that 6% is highway robbery. It is infuriating for someone who tries to win on a small edge.

zippyneedsawin 05-22-2008 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
Yes. As a player who likes to occasionally dabble in the show pool that 6% is highway robbery. It is infuriating for someone who tries to win on a small edge.

Show betting at an OTB is kooky talk.

hockey2315 05-22-2008 01:51 PM

HIGHER TAKEOUT?! I thought we were going to see it getting lower. . .

DogsUp 05-22-2008 02:08 PM

Question here....Do tracks expect people to wager on horses no matter the takeout %? My thought would be that Track A would want to lower the takeout % to grab bettors from wagering their money on another track. I always thought that competition would lower the takeout % (cost). Or am I way off base here?

Scav 05-22-2008 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DogsUp
Question here....Do tracks expect people to wager on horses no matter the takeout %? My thought would be that Track A would want to lower the takeout % to grab bettors from wagering their money on another track. I always thought that competition would lower the takeout % (cost). Or am I way off base here?

95% of the bettors don't understand takeout because it is 'behind the scenes'

Kasept 05-22-2008 02:08 PM

As an FYI, what I have to say about this on ATR tonight will be... pointed.

Kasept 05-22-2008 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
95% of the bettors don't understand takeout because it is 'behind the scenes'

You can be assured that the 20% of players responsible for 80% of the handle in all of the game understand takeout.

Kasept 05-22-2008 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DogsUp
Question here....Do tracks expect people to wager on horses no matter the takeout %? My thought would be that Track A would want to lower the takeout % to grab bettors from wagering their money on another track. I always thought that competition would lower the takeout % (cost). Or am I way off base here?

It would if we didn't have to suffer through the odiousness of state government's insatiable appetite for revenue...

DogsUp 05-22-2008 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
95% of the bettors don't understand takeout because it is 'behind the scenes'

When I first read this I was like NO WAY. But then I thought about it for a moment and I have to agree with you. When i first started to wager, I had no idea what a takeout % was. Took me awhile to figure out that I was getting screwed at certain tracks.

countrydick 05-22-2008 02:11 PM

Joe was nice enough to send me a postcard two days after the franchise deal to tell me what a good job he had done.

ateamstupid 05-22-2008 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
You can be assured that the 20% of players responsible for 80% of the handle in all of the game understand takeout.

*head explodes*

Kasept 05-22-2008 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
*head explodes*

The 80-20 rule.. A statistical imperative.

80% of all handle is generated from 20% of the horseplaying populace.

the_fat_man 05-22-2008 02:49 PM

Makes a lot easier then, in principle, to ORGANIZE and do something about it.

DogsUp 05-22-2008 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
The 80-20 rule.. A statistical imperative.

80% of all handle is generated from 20% of the horseplaying populace.

I am sure this varies greatly from weekdays to weekends. Would I be way off to think that 90% of the handle is generated from the horse playing populace throughout the week?


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