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Split Rock 05-20-2008 02:47 AM

1987 Awesome year of horse racing
 
There has been a lot of talk about the weak crop of 3 year olds this year and possibly the lack of interest in the older ranks other than Curlin. In my opinion, 1987 might rank as the very best year in the last 30 years.

1987 two year olds:
Forty Niner, Winning Colors, Seeking the Gold, Tejano, etc

1987 three year olds:
Alysheba, Bet Twice, Lost Code, Cryptoclearance, Broad Brush, Gulch, Java Gold, Gone West

1987 older runners:
Ferninand, Judge Angeluci, Skywalker, Groovy, Zany Tactics, Very Subtle, Snow Chief

1987 turfers:
Theatrical, Miesque, Trempolino

I'm sure I missed some great runners that were racing in 1987 but this is what I could remember. This year was so good and so stocked with great horses. The year was capped off by the best Breeder's Cup Classic ever (two Derby winners hitting the wire together, Ferninand over Alysheba).

Anyone else have a year that really stands out to them? Does '87 qualify for the best year in recent memory or am I just looking back favorably on the past?

fpsoxfan 05-20-2008 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Split Rock
There has been a lot of talk about the weak crop of 3 year olds this year and possibly the lack of interest in the older ranks other than Curlin. In my opinion, 1987 might rank as the very best year in the last 30 years.

1987 two year olds:
Forty Niner, Winning Colors, Seeking the Gold, Tejano, etc

1987 three year olds:
Alysheba, Bet Twice, Lost Code, Cryptoclearance, Broad Brush, Gulch, Java Gold, Gone West

1987 older runners:
Ferninand, Judge Angeluci, Skywalker, Groovy, Zany Tactics, Very Subtle, Snow Chief

1987 turfers:
Theatrical, Miesque, Trempolino

I'm sure I missed some great runners that were racing in 1987 but this is what I could remember. This year was so good and so stocked with great horses. The year was capped off by the best Breeder's Cup Classic ever (two Derby winners hitting the wire together, Ferninand over Alysheba).

Anyone else have a year that really stands out to them? Does '87 qualify for the best year in recent memory or am I just looking back favorably on the past?

I graduated from High School. Does that count as something good in 1987?

Hickory Hill Hoff 05-20-2008 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan
I graduated from High School. Does that count as something good in 1987?

If you lived in Fort Plain :D did I miss much with the "big" street fair last weekend?

Port Conway Lane 05-20-2008 07:37 AM

I'm pretty sure Broad Brush was a 4 yo in '87

CSC 05-20-2008 08:58 AM

I'm partial to 96 and 98

miraja2 05-20-2008 09:05 AM

Cutlass Reality was a pretty good older horse running in 1987, but I think his big year came in 1988.
Temperate Sil was another decent 3yo from that year too.

blackthroatedwind 05-20-2008 09:13 AM

3yos - Afleet and Polish Navy

Cannon Shell 05-20-2008 09:14 AM

hey we got big Brown and Curlin now......

King Glorious 05-20-2008 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Split Rock
There has been a lot of talk about the weak crop of 3 year olds this year and possibly the lack of interest in the older ranks other than Curlin. In my opinion, 1987 might rank as the very best year in the last 30 years.

1987 two year olds:
Forty Niner, Winning Colors, Seeking the Gold, Tejano, etc

1987 three year olds:
Alysheba, Bet Twice, Lost Code, Cryptoclearance, Broad Brush, Gulch, Java Gold, Gone West

1987 older runners:
Ferninand, Judge Angeluci, Skywalker, Groovy, Zany Tactics, Very Subtle, Snow Chief

1987 turfers:
Theatrical, Miesque, Trempolino

I'm sure I missed some great runners that were racing in 1987 but this is what I could remember. This year was so good and so stocked with great horses. The year was capped off by the best Breeder's Cup Classic ever (two Derby winners hitting the wire together, Ferninand over Alysheba).

Anyone else have a year that really stands out to them? Does '87 qualify for the best year in recent memory or am I just looking back favorably on the past?

This was my favorite year of racing. There was also a lightly raced 3yo filly that returned from injury that year named Personal Ensign. Sacahuista was another pretty good 3yo filly.

blackthroatedwind 05-20-2008 10:33 AM

And don't leave out Manila and his electrifying destruction of Theatrical in the 1987 Arlington Million. Then take a look at the amazing year Theatrical compiled to put it into perspective.

parsixfarms 05-20-2008 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
And don't leave out Manila and his electrifying destruction of Theatrical in the 1987 Arlington Million. Then take a look at the amazing year Theatrical compiled to put it into perspective.

His election to the HOF this year was long overdue. I'd argue that he was the top American grass horse of the past 20 years.

blackthroatedwind 05-20-2008 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
His election to the HOF this year was long overdue. I'd argue that he was the top American grass horse of the past 20 years.


No argument from me. He was a wonderful horse.

Did you know he broke his maiden in an off the turf race at Hialeah?

hockey2315 05-20-2008 10:59 AM

Brian's Time? He might've been a year later. . .

parsixfarms 05-20-2008 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Split Rock
1987 two year olds:
Forty Niner, Winning Colors, Seeking the Gold, Tejano, etc

This would be my primary quibble with the list. While Forty Niner was the champion 2YO that year, neither Seeking the Gold nor Winning Colors made an impact during their 2YO seasons (only breaking their respective maidens). The Breeders Cup races that year were won by relatively less-distinguished Epitome and Success Express.

parsixfarms 05-20-2008 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Did you know he broke his maiden in an off the turf race at Hialeah?

I didn't know that. After touting him so much, my one lasting in-person memory of Manila's career was him getting beat by Talakeno in a 4-horse Bernard Baruch Handicap that year.

blackthroatedwind 05-20-2008 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
This would be my primary quibble with the list. While Forty Niner was the champion 2YO that year, neither Seeking the Gold nor Winning Colors made an impact during their 2YO seasons (only breaking their respective maidens). The Breeders Cup races that year were won by relatively less-distinguished Epitome and Success Express.


Seeking the Gold didn't even race in 1987. He broke his maiden in the last race at Hialeah in January....filling out the late double with Personal Flag when that Phipps runner won a three horse photo in the Widener.

For what it's worth, I believe Seeking the Gold won by 18 1/2 lengths.

His half brother, Stacked Pack, was a pretty nice below the radar 3YO in 1987.

blackthroatedwind 05-20-2008 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
I didn't know that. After touting him so much, my one lasting in-person memory of Manila's career was him getting beat by Talakeno in a 4-horse Bernard Baruch Handicap that year.


I remember making one late double with Manila and a Mott firster in the last race. It was going to pay $29. I was disgusted after Manila lost to Talakeno ( and Cordero ) and didn't play the last race.

The Mott horse won and paid $31!

parsixfarms 05-20-2008 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Seeking the Gold didn't even race in 1987. He broke his maiden in the last race at Hialeah in January....filling out the late double with Personal Flag when that Phipps runner won a three horse photo in the Widener.

Just pulled his PPs. Seeking the Gold broke his maiden at Hialeah on December 26, 1987 (race 11). He won by 11 lengths, getting 6F in 1:09.4, not a bad debut!!

I'll never forget his effort in the 1988 Travers. Beaten a nose despite Pat Day putting up one of the silliest rides ever.

blackthroatedwind 05-20-2008 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
Just pulled his PPs. Seeking the Gold broke his maiden at Hialeah on December 26, 1987 (race 11). He won by 11 lengths, getting 6F in 1:09.4, not a bad debut!!

I'll never forget his effort in the 1988 Travers. Beaten a nose despite Pat Day putting up one of the silliest rides ever.


Good call. I didn't realize Hialeah opened before the New Year. Thanks. I do know that I hit that late double.

Seeking the Gold was a terrific horse. He came damn close to beating Alysheba in the Classic. Looked for a second like he was going to go right by him.


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