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MisterB 05-14-2008 09:56 AM

Belmont Thursday- R8 -- 12 FL
 
75,000-4 and up

1 Evening Attire (KY) 10 Gelding 120 Cornelio H. Velasquez
2 Delosvientos (KY) 5 Gelding 120 Eibar Coa
3 Malibu Moonshine (FL) 6 Horse 123 Rajiv Maragh
4 No Reply (KY) 4 Gelding 118 Alan Garcia
5 Successful Affair (NY) 6 Gelding 120 Kent J. Desormeaux
6 Arcata (FL) 4 Colt 123 Edgar S. Prado
7 Tergesti (NY) 6 Gelding 118 Channing Hill

Did Moonshine win this last year?

philcski 05-14-2008 09:58 AM

Malibu Moonshine is also entered in a classified allowance race at Pimlico on Friday, but I suspect he'll go here.

cakes44 05-14-2008 10:17 AM

Evening Attire gate to wire in this one.

blackthroatedwind 05-14-2008 10:35 AM

A thrilling prep for the BC. That BC Marathon is going to be a real humdinger.

parsixfarms 05-14-2008 11:13 AM

I don't know if it went by the same name, but didn't a Dutrow horse, coming off a NW1X allowance win at Gulfstream, win a nearly identical race a year ago, in what would be the second-to-last race of Funny Cide's career.

blackthroatedwind 05-14-2008 11:15 AM

Yes. It was the day before the Preakness I believe. I know I watched it at Pimlico. Not sure that Dutrow horse, who ran an amazing race out of virtually nowhere, ever ran again.

philcski 05-14-2008 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
I don't know if it went by the same name, but didn't a Dutrow horse, coming off a NW1X allowance win at Gulfstream, win a nearly identical race a year ago, in what would be the second-to-last race of Funny Cide's career.

Ironically, that was called the Wagon Limit stakes.

The name of the winner escapes me though.

parsixfarms 05-14-2008 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
A thrilling prep for the BC. That BC Marathon is going to be a real humdinger.

With all the discussion about the breeding for speed, speed, and more speed in the aftermath of the Derby, I think it's a good idea to offer money to and promote horses that can stay a distance of ground. This is sadly lacking from the overnight program - both on dirt and turf - at almost all tracks in this country. I don't know if it's a chicken or the egg situation; that is, is it that racing secretaries don't write such races or horsemen don't enter when they are written? Not that I'm advocating for a steady diet of races at what now would be considered odd distances (I'd start with a return of the more standard 11-13F turf races that we rarely see anymore, except at Keeneland), but my impression was that the 2 mile race that NYRA carded on Alabama Day last year, for example, was generally well received.

The problem with the BC "Marathon" (this would be a middle-distance race in Europe) this year is that, insofar as they have not been able to over time develop horses for these types of races, the only ones likely to compete in it this year are Grade III-types not able to compete at the highest level at 9-10F. That being said, I don't have a problem with giving $500K for such a race. We already do it with shorter races that draw similar fields such as the Hawthorne Gold Cup and Mass Cap.

blackthroatedwind 05-14-2008 11:41 AM

The name of the Dutrow horse was Rising Moon.

parsixfarms 05-14-2008 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski
Ironically, that was called the Wagon Limit stakes.

The name of the winner escapes me though.

Found it. The winner was Rising Moon: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/horse...25763140_x.htm. And my sense is also that he has not run since.

cakes44 05-14-2008 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
The problem with the BC "Marathon" (this would be a middle-distance race in Europe)

The Arc is considered a middle-distance race in Europe?

blackthroatedwind 05-14-2008 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by parsixfarms
With all the discussion about the breeding for speed, speed, and more speed in the aftermath of the Derby, I think it's a good idea to offer money to and promote horses that can stay a distance of ground. This is sadly lacking from the overnight program - both on dirt and turf - at almost all tracks in this country. I don't know if it's a chicken or the egg situation; that is, is it that racing secretaries don't write such races or horsemen don't enter when they are written? Not that I'm advocating for a steady diet of races at what now would be considered odd distances (I'd start with a return of the more standard 11-13F turf races that we rarely see anymore, except at Keeneland), but my impression was that the 2 mile race that NYRA carded on Alabama Day last year, for example, was generally well received.

The problem with the BC "Marathon" (this would be a middle-distance race in Europe) this year is that, insofar as they have not been able to over time develop horses for these types of races, the only ones likely to compete in it this year are Grade III-types not able to compete at the highest level at 9-10F. That being said, I don't have a problem with giving $500K for such a race. We already do it with shorter races that draw similar fields such as the Hawthorne Gold Cup and Mass Cap.


I agree with you.

parsixfarms 05-14-2008 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by cakes44
The Arc is considered a middle-distance race in Europe?

I believe so. Their marathons are the Cup races usually contested at distances of 2 miles or more.

MISTERGEE 05-14-2008 01:44 PM

havent seen thur. form yet by Iadesernia and Delosvientos may like it in NY and take it from gate to wire-- at 5-2 though hard to get excited

philcski 05-15-2008 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
Malibu Moonshine is also entered in a classified allowance race at Pimlico on Friday, but I suspect he'll go here.

Guess I was wrong. Goes Friday @ Pimlico.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE
havent seen thur. form yet by Iadesernia and Delosvientos may like it in NY and take it from gate to wire-- at 5-2 though hard to get excited

Nice call. 3-1 in a 5 horse field ain't bad.

MISTERGEE 05-15-2008 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MISTERGEE
havent seen thur. form yet by Iadesernia and Delosvientos may like it in NY and take it from gate to wire-- at 5-2 though hard to get excited

$8.30 for the win


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