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ShadowRoll 04-16-2008 02:18 PM

Prado on Adriano
 
http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/rac...rby-mount.aspx

Chalk it up to his relationship with Motion, or does he (or his agent) think Adriano's got a better shot than Tale of Ekati or Monba?

lemoncrush 04-16-2008 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowRoll
http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/rac...rby-mount.aspx

Chalk it up to his relationship with Motion, or does he (or his agent) think Adriano's got a better shot than Tale of Ekati or Monba?

Interesting. The jock carousel will continue, I'm sure. There were rumors that Gomez would hop off Court Vision in favor of Colonel John, but those have been shot down (Nakatani still on). Gomez could wind up on one of the Pletcher horses, if he were to leave Mott's colt.

In fact, these seem to to be the only somewhat confirmed jockey assignments for the derby:

War Pass - C.Velasquez
Pyro - S. Bridgemohan
Big Brown - K. Desormeaux
Recapturetheglory - ET Baird
Smooth Air - Manny Cruz
Visionaire - Jose Lezcano
Adriano - Edgar Prado
Gayego - Mike Smith

FGFan 04-16-2008 03:33 PM

I suspect Robby Albarado will end up on Z Fortune.

jcs11204 04-16-2008 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowRoll
http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/rac...rby-mount.aspx

Chalk it up to his relationship with Motion, or does he (or his agent) think Adriano's got a better shot than Tale of Ekati or Monba?

him and his agent have to think that... realtionships are cool and all but this is the derby, he'd ride whatever horse he felt had the best chance, and its adriano...

my miss storm cat 04-16-2008 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by lemoncrush
Interesting. The jock carousel will continue, I'm sure. There were rumors that Gomez would hop off Court Vision in favor of Colonel John, but those have been shot down (Nakatani still on). Gomez could wind up on one of the Pletcher horses, if he were to leave Mott's colt.

In fact, these seem to to be the only somewhat confirmed jockey assignments for the derby:

War Pass - C.Velasquez
Pyro - S. Bridgemohan
Big Brown - K. Desormeaux
Recapturetheglory - ET Baird
Smooth Air - Manny Cruz
Visionaire - Jose Lezcano
Adriano - Edgar Prado
Gayego - Mike Smith

... and Dominguez on Monba.

ateamstupid 04-16-2008 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
him and his agent have to think that... realtionships are cool and all but this is the derby, he'd ride whatever horse he felt had the best chance, and its adriano...

I don't think Prado thinks any of those horses have a big chance, otherwise he would've committed earlier.

Riot 04-16-2008 04:12 PM

Well, at the Team Penning Monday night, Jamie Theriot showed he really has an excellent seat on a horse and some cow sense. Julian L. is okay, and Robby A. looked a bit out of place. Angel C. was there, but I don't think he was really participating :D

jcs11204 04-16-2008 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
I don't think Prado thinks any of those horses have a big chance, otherwise he would've committed earlier.

ok i can agree with that... but this is the KENTUCKY DERBY, he is going to ride the horse that he feels give's him the best shot to win, do you agree ?

jcs11204 04-16-2008 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mumtaz
Well, at the Team Penning Monday night, Jamie Theriot showed he really has an excellent seat on a horse and some cow sense. Julian L. is okay, and Robby A. looked a bit out of place. Angel C. was there, but I don't think he was really participating :D

julian is going to be great...
as soon as patrick returns.

ateamstupid 04-16-2008 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
ok i can agree with that... but this is the KENTUCKY DERBY, he is going to ride the horse that he feels give's him the best shot to win, do you agree ?

Sure.. Or if the difference is negligible, he might choose loyalty. If he thought Tale of Ekati or Monba had legitimate shots to win, he'd be on one of them. Says something about them that he chose the horse who's yet to prove anything on dirt, I think.

jcs11204 04-16-2008 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Sure.. Or if the difference is negligible, he might choose loyalty. If he thought Tale of Ekati or Monba had legitimate shots to win, he'd be on one of them. Says something about them that he chose the horse who's yet to prove anything on dirt, I think.

i was going to say something like that earlier..... i throw monba and tale of ekati out now.... adriano was horrible on dirt in the FOY, and that race has came back to be a horrible race, no one has come back to win, and he was beaten badly, never ran a good or even decent race on dirt, and prado picks him over... the wood winner and the bluegrass winner....

ateamstupid 04-16-2008 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
i was going to say something like that earlier..... i throw monba and tale of ekati out now.... adriano was horrible on dirt in the FOY, and that race has came back to be a horrible race, no one has come back to win, and he was beaten badly, never ran a good or even decent race on dirt, and prado picks him over... the wood winner and the bluegrass winner....

I was on the fence about both, and I still am, but this certainly doesn't give me any more confidence in them.

Riot 04-16-2008 04:48 PM

From bloodhorse.com (excerpted)

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“I knew it was going to be a tough choice for him, and it obviously makes me feel good about everything,” trainer Graham Motion said. “Edgar rode for me when I first started training. I’m not sure we both didn’t have our first stakes winner in New York together. So, we certainly go back a long way. We’ve always had a rapport and I’ve always felt the most comfortable with him riding the horses. When he won the Lane’s End, he didn’t have any other Derby mounts, so we discussed having him ride the horse back then. Then he goes and wins two grade I stakes leading up to the Derby.

“One of the reasons I worked Adriano at Churchill Downs this week was to let Edgar get a feel for him on the track and see what he thought. It was as much for his benefit as for mine. He wanted to see for himself before he made his decision, and I wanted to see for myself before I made my decision. I was tickled when he turned into the stretch and he showed that extraordinary stride when Edgar asked him. I let him do as he pleased, sort of like taking out a new car for a spin. He let him roll the last part, and I clocked him in :11 and change for the final eighth. When Edgar asked him he really took off from his workmate, who is a very useful stakes winner.”

IrishofNDMan 04-16-2008 04:53 PM

I will still be using Tale Of Ekati in all spots of my ticket, can't say the same for Adriano however.

FGFan 04-16-2008 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mumtaz
Well, at the Team Penning Monday night, Jamie Theriot showed he really has an excellent seat on a horse and some cow sense. Julian L. is okay, and Robby A. looked a bit out of place. Angel C. was there, but I don't think he was really participating :D

What? Were they really working cattle or is this a joke...:p

Riot 04-16-2008 05:06 PM

All Star Jockey Team Penning
 
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Originally Posted by FGFan
What? Were they really working cattle or is this a joke...:p

No, really "working" cattle, for charity (Don MacBeth Memorial Jockey Fund) - two local cowboys or girls, and a jock on the team. Cut three designated cattle out and into the pen at the other end of the arena. They also have a calcutta on the teams. Tim Conway was the Emcee.

Bill W. is in town and goes, I went along with him - pretty fun stuff!

But Theriot really does have a very good, soft seat on a horse. Pat Day was there, too. Who else, Bill?

FGFan 04-16-2008 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mumtaz
No, really "working" cattle, for charity (Don MacBeth Memorial Jockey Fund) - two local cowboys or girls, and a jock on the team. Cut three designated cattle out and into the pen at the other end of the arena. They also have a calcutta on the teams. Tim Conway was the Emcee.

Bill W. is in town and goes, I went along with him - pretty fun stuff!

But Theriot really does have a very good, soft seat on a horse. Pat Day was there, too. Who else, Bill?

OMG that is too much fun.
I would have loved to have been there for that. Must have been funny to see some of them on a cutting horse.
Glad to hear Jamie kept up his Cajun heritage, he seems as though he's into that kind of stuff. At the fund raiser for EJ Perrodin Jamie donated a cow skin saddle for the auction. We all had a big discussion if he actually ever used it.

Hey next year I'll send ya a catahoula dog for the jocks that have a hard time.

What a fun thing, glad you enjoyed yourself, did you buy the right calcutta?

Riot 04-16-2008 06:10 PM

LOL - I didn't bid. The big farms were bidding, most teams were 1-2 thousand dollars.

Gander 04-16-2008 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemoncrush
Interesting. The jock carousel will continue, I'm sure. There were rumors that Gomez would hop off Court Vision in favor of Colonel John, but those have been shot down (Nakatani still on). Gomez could wind up on one of the Pletcher horses, if he were to leave Mott's colt.

In fact, these seem to to be the only somewhat confirmed jockey assignments for the derby:

War Pass - C.Velasquez
Pyro - S. Bridgemohan
Big Brown - K. Desormeaux
Recapturetheglory - ET Baird
Smooth Air - Manny Cruz
Visionaire - Jose Lezcano
Adriano - Edgar Prado
Gayego - Mike Smith

Also, you can add Alex Solis to riding Bob Black Jack. He committed late last week.


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