Saudi woman sentenced to 200 lashes
 

Her crime: being GANG-RAPED! But not to worry, she also got 6 months in prison.



http://news.scotsman.com/internation...?id=1831912007

Hello,welcome to ISLAM.Religion of the beasts.What do you really expect from a religion that has a butcher as a prophet?

an agenda.

coupled with intolerance.

you should think of founding one yourself.

No matter how frustrated I get with the current state of the US (social, political and economical), this is still the greatest country in the world...

God Bless America!

Apologist for scum.........TAKE A STAND AGAINST EVIL(don't tolerate lashes for women.)You tolerate scum.

GOLFER,I know it's hard to believe,but no matter what you post,some irritant is gunna come out the wall to take the side of scum.I don't know why.They just do.They don't care about right,or wrong.Everything is a game to them.Meanwhile,this scum is giving women 200 lashes.

got me.

i can't slip anything past you.

well done.

Well her crime was being alone with an unrelated man. Let's not make their ridiculousness sound even more ridiclous.

It should also be mentioned that the rapists were sentenced to 2-9 years in prison so they didn't just get away with it.

Look, here's the deal. Whether or not we agree with their laws is not the point. The point is that they have the right to have their own laws and punishments in their country. Just as we do. It may seem ridiculous to us but for them, that is their way of life and has been forever. When you know the rules BEFOREHAND and know the punishments if you break the rules, do you really have an argument? Personally, I don't feel like you do.

You are correct. I figured my headline would draw more attention to the article.

lets not bring logic into an emotional rant please.

how foxy.

I feel everyone is entitled to an opinion (hopefully one that reflects knowledge of all sides of the topic), and I respect all that you wrote. However, I don't necessarily agree with it, which is fine. Let's plug slavery into your equation above, as an example. What you wrote was also true for this "law", but that didn't make it right or just, and I think it's a pretty good thing that it no longer exists in our country.

I agree that America is the greatest country on earth, I also agree that other societies have the right to their own societal laws. Islam does not preach what some have perverted it to say...that is a failure of mankind not the religion. We can point out sad events in the histories of ALL religions...Christianity is not immune to the cynical glare of history. All that said, there is no justification for the treatment of women in many so-called Islamic states just as there is no justification for slavery, religious persecution and hatred overall. I think it IS important that news of this sort be greated with universal condemnation....maybe someday we'll find what Diogenes never did!

That makes you a moral relativist, right? What's considered "wrong" in one nation (sentencing a woman to prison for being gang-raped AFTER she was kidnapped- did you read the article? She didn't willfully meet with an unrelated man; she was kidnapped) is perfectly okay in another, due to the perspectives of the people ruling that country, correct?

So you're okay with the sex-trade of children in some nations in Asia? Slavery in other nations in Africa? Cutting off girl's clitorises in other nations? Imprisoning people without giving cause? Because those nations have no ethical problem with it?

(I realize it sounds like I'm attacking; I don't mean to. I just want to know where your line is drawn).

I agree, to some extent you have to accept that people are different in different parts of the world (look at how well our grand plan to export democracy to Iraq has worked out), but I think, when it comes to blatant subjugation of a class of people, whether they be female, poor, young, whatever, one can make a case that it's universally wrong and shouldn't be tolerated.

But then, Saudi Arabia is one of our allies, so is that why you're defending them? Again, just trying to understand where your line in the sand is, so to speak.

yeah, goodness knows no one should ever try to change the status quo.

shouldn't we all be singing god save the queen right now??:rolleyes:


it's cases like these that make me so thankful i was lucky enough to be born in the u.s. for all its faults, and who or what doesn't have faults, this country is light years ahead of much of the world.

[quote=King Glorious]"It should also be mentioned that the rapists were sentenced to 2-9 years in prison so they didn't just get away with it."

Please don't give them extra credit for actually punishing gang rappers.Are we that desperate (to distract) that we have to give them credit for that?The issue is a women is being lashed 200 times for being with a man she isn't related to,or married to.Sorry,but no matter your reason,you're an animal if you condone this.We don't have to go to war over it etc.,but it needs to be on display.Even animals understand the power of a microscope.

"Look, here's the deal. Whether or not we agree with their laws is not the point. The point is that they have the right to have their own laws and punishments in their country. Just as we do. It may seem ridiculous to us but for them, that is their way of life and has been forever."

Yes,and they will also have to put up with the reaction the civilized world has to "their own laws." If they don't mind being considered scum,then you're right,we aren't going to force them (with military force) to change.They have to see they are acting like animals(and are seen as scum.)Only after that understanding,will they consider changing.



" When you know the rules BEFOREHAND and know the punishments if you break the rules, do you really have an argument? Personally, I don't feel like you do."

You always have an argument against the ways of scum.Can you stop scum from imposing their evil on you?No.What you're saying is that Germans,French,Dutch etc. should have turned in Jews during WW2(AFTER ALL WASN'T IT THE LAW? You're saying those that harbored JEWS had no argument to make? Just because the NAZI'S had rules making them turn in JEWS?THIS WOMAN HAD AN ARGUMENT TO MAKE.SHE(AND the lawyer) got the ways of scum under the microscope.You would rather she take her lashes,serve her time,and go make dinner for somebody(like nothing took place?) Since you say she doesn't have an argument,is this the way you feel?

Well,the way of North Korea is for some to eat steak,and others to eat whatever they can catch(rat,dog,cat,toad,whatever.)It's the governments way.So,don't argue with it?According to your way,once evil gets into power,how do you get rid of it? I don't think the Saudi's are having free elections lately?

I'm not defending them at all. Personally, I feel it was wrong and I feel sorry for the girl. I wish they didn't treat women like they do and wish that the rest of the world would put more pressure on them to change. Maybe something like this can outrage enough people to pressure them. Probably not though. The things you mentioned, I'm not ok with any of them. There are a lot of things in the world that go on that I'm not ok with. But I'll tell you one thing. If I'm ever in an Islamic nation, you can believe I won't ever steal anything because I know the punishment.

Well you might not steal something and still get punished.

Look, it is pretty clear the rule of law does NOT apply in many countries
Islamic and otherwise. Lawyers and judges from other countries interested in studying constitutional law dont go to Saudi Arabi.

When you say they have rules, its not the rule of law.
Heck we have had enough trouble with the rule of law
in this country with the current administration making up
rules as we go along concerning enemy combatants and then
friggin Supreme Court "wanting" a case and then later retreating
from it in shame.