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ShadowRoll 09-26-2007 02:32 PM

TP: Kentucky Cup Classic
 
Hard Spun wins, Street Sense runs 2nd or 3rd.

Field for the Kentucky Cup Classic (gr. II, approximate post 5:42 p.m.), 1 1/8-miles over Polytrack for 3-year-olds and upward

1. Hard Spun, Mario Pino, 118
2. Cat Shaker, Charles Woods Jr., 118
3. Street Sense, Calvin Borel, 120
4. Stream Cat, Julien Leparoux, 118
5. Muqbil, Willie Martinez, 118

GPK 09-26-2007 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowRoll
Hard Spun wins, Street Sense runs 2nd or 3rd.

Field for the Kentucky Cup Classic (gr. II, approximate post 5:42 p.m.), 1 1/8-miles over Polytrack for 3-year-olds and upward

1. Hard Spun, Mario Pino, 118
2. Cat Shaker, Charles Woods Jr., 118
3. Street Sense, Calvin Borel, 120
4. Stream Cat, Julien Leparoux, 118
5. Muqbil, Willie Martinez, 118

Muqbil?? Really?

Linny 09-26-2007 02:52 PM

I thought that the KY Cup is for KY breds only. Hard Spun was bred in PA.

Coach Pants 09-26-2007 02:54 PM

I'm not a fan of bacon.


Edit: Oh you meant the Kentucky Cup!!

Street Sense

ShadowRoll 09-26-2007 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
I'm not a fan of bacon.


Edit: Oh you meant the Kentucky Cup!!

Street Sense

Yes -- didn't eat lunch and my mind's wandering.

cloud_break 09-26-2007 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linny
I thought that the KY Cup is for KY breds only. Hard Spun was bred in PA.

No race in Kentucky is restricted to Kentucky-breds. (Really, what would be the point.) But, they do have the KTDF that supplements purses for Ky breds only. Some portion of the purse of the Classic may be restricted to ky-breds.

letswastemoney 09-26-2007 05:45 PM

They must be shaking in their boots with Muqbil in there

Linny 09-26-2007 06:38 PM

I think that at some point the KY Cup was just for KY bred, which I will admit seems a bit odd.

cloud_break 09-26-2007 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linny
I think that at some point the KY Cup was just for KY bred, which I will admit seems a bit odd.

My recollection is that Best Pal ran third in the inaugural Classic in 1994. My recollection is that he was a Cal-bred. Of course, my recollection could be wrong on either or both counts.

tiznowthegreat 09-26-2007 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cloud_break
No race in Kentucky is restricted to Kentucky-breds. (Really, what would be the point.) But, they do have the KTDF that supplements purses for Ky breds only. Some portion of the purse of the Classic may be restricted to ky-breds.

This is correct. Street Sense is running for a 500,000 purse while Hard Spun is running for a 350,000 purse.

cloud_break 09-26-2007 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiznowthegreat
This is correct. Street Sense is running for a 500,000 purse while Hard Spun is running for a 350,000 purse.

Yeah, I just saw the drf article about this. I guess the math comes out that Hard Spun would get $270,000 if he wins, and Street Sense would get $367,500 if he wins.

philcski 09-26-2007 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cloud_break
Yeah, I just saw the drf article about this. I guess the math comes out that Hard Spun would get $270,000 if he wins, and Street Sense would get $367,500 if he wins.

it's usually 60% to the winner, so $300k for Street Sense or $210k for Hard Spun.

tiznowthegreat 09-26-2007 09:59 PM

Regardless of purse issue, what are people thinking. Looking at the PP's, Street Sense's 2 races on Poly stand out as not close to his efforts on dirt. Hard Spun ran a big one here in March. I don't think Hard Spun is close to as talented as SS but on this day under these conditions I think he has a realistic chance.

The Indomitable DrugS 09-26-2007 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linny
I thought that the KY Cup is for KY breds only. Hard Spun was bred in PA.

It couldn't have graded stakes status if the race was restricted to KY Breds.

geeker2 09-26-2007 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Of course he has a realistic chance. He's the most likely winner. Especially when you have to think Street Sense will be not fully cranked as the goal is the BC Classic. Who doesn't think Hard Spun has a huge shot here?


What do you make of SS beating Grasshopper by a less than steller margin..and having the Hopper come back and lose..chink in the armour?

miraja2 09-27-2007 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiznowthegreat
Regardless of purse issue, what are people thinking. Looking at the PP's, Street Sense's 2 races on Poly stand out as not close to his efforts on dirt. Hard Spun ran a big one here in March. I don't think Hard Spun is close to as talented as SS but on this day under these conditions I think he has a realistic chance.

Hard Spun has more than just a shot.
A 10f dirt race and a 9f poly race are two very different things.
Right now Street Sense remains my pick to win the BCC, but that doesn't mean that he is going to win on Saturday.

miraja2 09-27-2007 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by geeker2
What do you make of SS beating Grasshopper by a less than steller margin..and having the Hopper come back and lose..chink in the armour?

I don't think anything of it at all.
Street Sense tends to hang a bit. We knew that going into the Travers, and we still know it coming out of the race.

letswastemoney 09-28-2007 02:26 AM

I think Stream Cat has a chance. His speed figures on poly are close to Hard Spun and Street Sense. Using Bris, his 2 figures on poly were 100 and 104. Street Sense had a 98 and 97.


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