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cowgirlintexas

08-02-2007 10:22 PM

Hard Spun - Haskell

Interesting to read that regular jock Mike Pino will be back aboard after owners decided that Gomez did'nt make much difference.. Seems to me I remember lots of talk about his "bad" ride in the Derby or was it the Preakness?? Forget wich, but just wonder waht ya'll think and if you think Hard Spun can win the Haskell.. Hard fast track might just be to his liking...

Thoughts everyone??

Travis Stone

08-02-2007 10:36 PM

I think this horse just needs to go-go-go, especially in this spot. He seems like more of an outrun all the way than a finesse rate/pounce horse.

trifecta124

08-02-2007 10:39 PM

I think he has a good chance to wire the field. The track will probably be super fast. I do believe that Stormello also has a lot of speed.

The bad ride was in the Preakness.

The Indomitable DrugS

08-02-2007 10:40 PM

Hard Spun can't seem to get a break....

With Stormello in the race...I don't think he'll have a chance--unless Stormello is inexplicably rated.

I was hoping Stormello would have tried the King's Bishop....a race he'd have had a big shot in.

He has no shot of hitting the board in the Haskell.

NoLuvForPletch

08-02-2007 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I think Hard Spun will be lucky to hit the board here. There is a lot of speed and sprinter speed at that. Stormello is very fast and Cable Boy has some speed.

I'm hoping to finally cash with this guy. In the Preakness he was in the perfect spot, rating nicely behind the two speeds, before Pino unexplainably said go into the blistering pace. If Stormello and Cable Boy hook up and go too fast, Pino wont make the same mistake and he'll let those 2 come back to him. It is only a 1 1/8 race, and he's drawn outside the two so called speeds. If he gets the lead, and the other speeds can't keep up (Stomello couldn't keep up in the Derby, I know he was in the 17 post) he's gone, IMO.

sumitas

08-02-2007 11:06 PM

The 2 speed horses might set up Hard Spun perfectly here. Curlin should still get the job done just nipping HS.

Travis Stone

08-02-2007 11:07 PM

Stormello could not keep up in the Derby, and I don't see how he's going to make-up for all that time now. I truly think Hard Spun is just plain faster than he early.

sumitas

08-02-2007 11:11 PM

One possibility is Curlin over the 2 longest shots on the board in a small ex.

The Indomitable DrugS

08-02-2007 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Stormello seemed like he was rated a bit in the Derby, like was said earlier he also broke from post 17.

I think strangled more so than rated.

MaTH716

08-03-2007 06:13 AM

The track has been playing to the front runners. In the Preakness it seemed that HS was rating nicley until Pino made his backside brush (ala Cat Manzi) and tried to bottom out the field. If he could rate again and Pino doesn't do anything crazy I think he has a very good shot.

Danzig

08-03-2007 06:23 AM

as was mentioned above, this track has been kind to front runners. a derby-style performance, and hard spun will be uncatchable.

nice field, looking forward to it. glad to see that everyone isn't playing the avoid game this year, a nice change of pace.

slotdirt

08-03-2007 08:03 AM

I always liked that Mike Pino.

Danzig

08-03-2007 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

I always liked that Mike Pino.

oh me too! of course he complains when people confuse him with mario...

slotdirt

08-03-2007 09:02 AM

Think he needed a rest post-Preakness. Hopefully the two months off will have recharged his batteries; Hard Spun's workouts have shown he could be sitting on a good race.

NoLuvForPletch

08-03-2007 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

The track has a reputation for playing kindly to front runners and while it's probably true, I'm not so sure it has lately. Speed helps at any track really, except for maybe Del mar and Keeneland, but I saw a few races on Wednesday and the track seemed to be fair, at least in the routes.

Now I would not be shocked at all to see a souped up track, it's becoming commonplace on these big days. But it's sort of tough to count on a speed favoring track. Hard Spun is a nice horse. If he has improved since the Belmont he rates a big shot. But it really looks like the pace scenario is against him.

The leader after the opening 1/4 mile in The Haskell has been 1st or 2nd the last 6 years.

2006 - 2nd
2005 - 2nd
2004 - 1st
2003 - 1st
2002 - 1st
2001 - 2nd

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