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todko 05-06-2007 07:04 AM

Pletcher could have won the Derby . . .
 
Rags to Riches. Ran a better final time in bad track conditions. Tack on a :12 clip to her final and she ran faster than Street Sense. She was really motoring past the wire in the Oaks.

Pletcher might have had his Derby.

Cajungator26 05-06-2007 07:21 AM

I really don't think so, but we have no way of knowing.

todko 05-06-2007 09:00 AM

She couldn't have possibly done worse than his colts.

I try not to jump on the "greatest" bandwagon -- but Rags looks scary good. She might be the measure of some of the game's greatest fillies. That was a devastating performance on a bad track.

cmorioles 05-06-2007 09:06 AM

104 Beyer is very solid, not spectacular.

ArlJim78 05-06-2007 09:21 AM

Pletcher made the right call on this one, and was rewarded with a smashing victory in the Oaks. It was the right choice because it gave her the chance to fully dominate her own kind instead of chasing the derby dream.

I think she could have run a very respectable race in the derby, but I doubt if she could have won it. Rags is in an elite group of fillies. The sky is the limit for this girl.

Hickory Hill Hoff 05-06-2007 09:51 AM

Running her in the Derby would have been the worst thing to do.

Bold Reasoning 05-06-2007 09:54 AM

She should run in the Belmont. She is better than Jazil and her sire is a Belmont winner.

todko 05-06-2007 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by cmfhb411
She ran her final 1/8th in 12.19. How was she going to run an additional furlong in 12 flat ? And her rider was looking quite busy in midstretch.

12.19 on that track was very good. She tracked solid fractions through the slop and still finished in 12.19. That track was a quagmire.

The boys had a much better track to run on. Street Sense closed with a storm. But only because he got a dream trip on the rail after sitting 19th down the backstretch. He was right around :25 for the final quarter.

Looks to me like Rags coulda won that race.

I know it's hard to think outside the box sometimes . . .

todko 05-06-2007 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bold Reasoning
She should run in the Belmont. She is better than Jazil and her sire is a Belmont winner.

Rags and Tiago in an exacta box. Throw Street Sense in for the tri.

todko 05-06-2007 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmorioles
104 Beyer is very solid, not spectacular.

Wasn't Beyer the same clown who said Curlin wouldn't finish in the top ten?

Even with the bonehead ride by Albarado Curlin was third. Might have won the damn thing with a different jockey.

Coach Pants 05-06-2007 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by todko
Wasn't Beyer the same clown who said Curlin wouldn't finish in the top ten?

Even with the bonehead ride by Albarado Curlin was third. Might have won the damn thing with a different jockey.


Danzig 05-06-2007 10:16 AM

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2Hot4TV 05-06-2007 10:18 AM

Pletcher needed Street Sense in his barn to win yesterday.

Danzig 05-06-2007 10:19 AM

ah, then hard spun would have gotten roses after all!!

Antitrust32 05-06-2007 10:23 AM

I honestly think she would have been close given a good trip. May not have beat SS but would have been right there. IMO she's as good as any 3yo this year. Too bad Magnificence was injured.. she is a top class filly also and it would have been an outstanding year! The Oaks was the right decision though, and she was able to prove to her doubters she can beat anyone in her division. Great races Friday and Saturday!!

I wouldnt be surprised to see RTR take on the boys later on this year. Maybe she can run in the Haskell like Serena's Song!

Danzig 05-06-2007 10:24 AM

with 20 horse fields, it's a shame to see some of those colts go at it, let alone a filly. she ran in the right spot for her.

Hickory Hill Hoff 05-06-2007 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Bold Reasoning
She should run in the Belmont. She is better than Jazil and her sire is a Belmont winner.

Keep her versus her own sex right now...maybe later in the year
but throwing her to the "wolves" right now wouldn't be right.

AeWingnut 05-06-2007 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
Keep her versus her own sex right now...maybe later in the year
but throwing her to the "wolves" right now wouldn't be right.

agreed

I think fillies have to take on the colts early while they are ahead of them. The boys are going to keep improving while the girls are already there.

I didn't see the Oaks so I can't say one way or the other.


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